The d played good for most of the game. It's the coaching who gets the blame on the last drive. Gw HAS to go. Time for a change, we only will have this offense for a few more yrs. After that we will have to rebuild it as well. Change our d Now! Please.

Ill reply to both you and Danno at the same time.

Either get rid of GW or the "not fit for purpose" players..

Either way our present Defense and GW style are not a good fit.

Ok I just remembered another reason he needs to
go.

Anyone remember Smith around end for a TD last night?

Now think about another QB around opposite end for a TD ?

How about Stafford around end exposing a weakness just LAST WEEK!

This is the way I feel about it too. GW ego got in the way in the end.

Because we gave them 6 more free chances to beat us....

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Saints DC Gregg Williams is "expected" to join Jeff Fisher's staff in St. Louis.

Schefter rarely passes along pure speculation, so the odds appear high Williams has indeed coached his final game for the Saints. Schefter reports former Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo and Dolphins DC Mike Nolan are both possible replacements in New Orleans.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

If this is true, no need to wait. We have to put the full court press on Spags and Del Rio... let's not give the other teams an upper hand.

I'm willing to bet this though, with the personnel the Rams currently have on defense, I would not be surprised to see him be very successful over there.

I think the defense needs a fresh start. I came to the decision last night whilst eating a large burrito.

I'm not saying yesterday was his fault. Personally, I'm not blitzing a soul on those last two drives, but I understand why we did. Our inability to get pressure with 4 is, in my opinion, probably the biggest weakness on our team. Yes, even bigger than Shanle.

The "D" has become static. We need some kind of change. We aren't going to spend big money on "D" if we plan to keep the offense relatively intact. I do think we have some players already on the defensive roster who are ready to take bigger roles, but I also think a coaching change might be a wise move if for nothing more than method to stir up the gris gris a little bit.

I agree with that to a point,6 turnovers to a sub- par offense and the D got the job done to that point, but they could not keep the lead when we got it. Forget the turnovers we crawled and scratched back hard to overcome the 6 tunrovers and did, just to watch our D blow up in the final 5 minutes of the game. We had the lead!! The D blew the lead!!

So, like you I can cite two of the five turnovers, and say the offense sucks? No way. Sorry, if you look at the whole game, and the defense having to compensate for the offensive mistakes, they did great. Believe me, if we'd have had one or two less turnovers, just that slightly better statistic, we'd have won.

You've obviously got some kind of agenda here. Five turnovers isn't just a lot. It's a HUGE number, and they weren't made by the defense. I don't understand your blindness to this very obvious fact.

Look, the offense was up and down, yes. But they made plays when it was NEEDED.

The defense played great all game, but did NOT make the plays when needed.

Did you hear Bradshaw after the game? Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

I'm sick of blitzing to no results and watching lackluster QB's smoke our defense.

Sorry, you can't just ignore the huge downside of the turnovers. The statistic glares at you, and outside of creating injuries, apparently something SF does to every team, on purpose, it is why we lost the game.

We needed to not have those turnovers, but we did. So the offense didn't come up with what we "needed" either.

Yes turnovers were bad BUT give San Fran defense the credit they deserve for making them happen. They all came from defense causation. How can anyone bad mouth our offense? Brees did everything in his power to overcome those early turnovers and actually accomplished it! GW is totally at fault for this with some poor ego driven play calls on the last drive.

After sleeping on it I'm still totally for letting GW go. The more I think about some of his playcalling the more frustrated I get. I read a quote from Jenkins saying; "Nothing has changed, so we live by the blitz and we die by the blitz." That mentality comes from the coach. Sometimes you need to play the situation. The niners were 2nd and 10 with 40 seconds left on their own 33. They had moved the ball 18 yards in about 55 seconds (that's great!) against our "prevent defense." We were keeping everything in front of us, tackling them in bounds and letting the clock run down. We were covering their deep guys and forcing Smith to check down. It's exactly what you want your D to do in that scenario. Then GW blitzes 6 guys and leaves a safety one on one with their only offensive player who showed up to the game and what happens? 47 yard pass, now it's 1st and 10 from the 20 with the clock stopped.

OK, so back to Jenkins quote about living and dying by the blitz. I'll play along for a minute. If GW absolutely feels the need to blitz there I have two words for him: Zone-Blitz! This way no one is locked in on a particular guy and if a catch is made we have multiple guys ready to make a tackle. There are plenty of zone blitzes that keep 2 and even 3 guys deep to prevent a big play. When you blitz in man coverage, you are often banking on one guy making a tackle. That's too high of a risk in that situation.

Again, I wasn't for blitzing in that scenario but if you absolutely insist on it, make sure your cover guys are in a zone. I think GW's time here is done and it's time for us to move on. Our current roster is not suited to his style of coaching. Pick up Spags who won a Super Bowl as a D Coordinator with the Giants in 07 and draft defense in the draft and we'll be fine. Let's be the first team to play in the Super Bowl in their own stadium!

Further.

1) Last but one for taking turnovers.

2) The style of 4th quarter D was a continuation of a poor designed D that we have seen all year. Sure I understand if the personnel aren't there you can't expect excellence. But other teams do not seem to blow up as much as the Saints. Other teams use their available personnel the best way they can.

When you are the boss man. surely you have the clout to attract the type of personnel required to improve your situation. Even more so, if you are the boss man for a team that is a strong playoff contender.

For me, fundamentally.
Once is a mistake, I accept that. If you never make a mistake, you are not trying hard enough.
It can be argued that twice is bad luck.
But thrice (and more). Man that is not an accident. That indicates someone is not learning from them, and that is a deficiency.

You see this article - written in August 2011.

10 Greatest Game-Winning Touchdown Drives in NFL History

What price that the Saints have earned themselves ignominy with the SF late 7 plays, 85 yards in 1:28; with the clock running out.

I did not watch the game. After a while, I just could not. Too nervous.
I did not post during the week about the game either.
I listened to some of the media talk about 49'ers defense and then turned that off.
I am not posting about GW or Saints defense.

Football, great defense with pitiful offense =not too much going on.
Great offense with pitiful , inconsistent defense = not so good. Secure.
You need both.
You need a good kicking team.

There was a time when the Saints had a great defense during Rickey Jackson years, but you had a pitiful offense with Boobie Herbert.
So when the defense got the ball back to the then offense, not much happend. You had the best or one of the best Sp.Teams then with Morten and Hansen. I always hear posts here about how bad Aaron Brooks was, but none about Bear-Bobby Herbert. I used to call him Boobie.
He was from Cut -Off ,LA and people liked that. Then you had with Hebert, another local, John Fourcade. The defense , often out there to the point of exhaustion, would carry the Saints. A defense can only go so far.
Saints never had an offense until this current team under Coach SP and DB as qb, plus the rest of the offense line.

Thanks Mitch. I know what you told me when we had this offense vs. defense discussion. Mitch told me, the defense gets the ball back. Yeah, I say, but if you do not have much of offense or one getting tired out there, that is not so good.

SanFran has a great defense, but the offense has lots to offer too.
Saints made too many turnovers early on and it came back on them.

The Saints' offense is really THAT good. To come back from 0, down by 17 and end the game where they did was still good. OK, I am trying to make us all feel better here about this crucial lost which the Saints could have won. It is not working but I am trying. :-(

All I want to say is that with the Saints great offense and Sp.teams, yes, the hot/cold/lukewarm defense has to catch up while the Saints still have a great offense and good Sp.Teams.

If the Saints had both sides equal, that would be something unbeatable.

Unlike other fans, we here, have been saying 49's showed up on all teams. They started out early. That is something I have always said about the Saints. They need to start out early and fast and score.
The Saints caught up. Almost had it. A W is a W is a win and that is something I have said. One pt. win, ugly win, is still a win. 49'ers had an ugly, close win there, but won. Saints should have won. They need something else, some improvement, obviously there.




:bng:Loves those Saints, still.

Greg Williams should've played coverage and we would have stopped them on one of those last second drives.

I've said it before, all of our draft choices should be on the D side of the ball. GW got out COACHED big time. SF and Houston in the Big Dance!

Green Bay doesn't turn the ball over like we do.
Green Bay by 3 scores

Houston doesn't have a shot without Schaub

Green Bay and New England in the Superbowl.

Green Bay and New England, yeah, but I would like to see something new. You probably have it right.

I'll be glad when 49'ers get burned next week.
I would love for the Texans to be there in AFC's game. They are the underdog.

Do you guys remember Venturi and all the other Defensive Coordinators that didn't help the Saints win the Superbowl? And what are the chances that the top DC's available choose the Saints?

Be careful what you wish for.

OK. I will let you have 2 more guesses.

Ignoring that- what are you talking about. Go back and look at all my post this week prior to the game where I said over and over that we had to protect the ball. I said it was the most important aspect of the game.

The simple fact is we were up by 3 with 1 min 37 to go and they were at their own 15. They had just got done, prior to our drive for a td, having alex smith run it in from like 25 yards out. Wait, didn't they get down there by a throw to Vernon Davis? Then they turn around, and they don't tie it, they win it. 85 yards. Long throw, wait for it, wait for it- to vernon davis again?Playing man coverage at that point in the game, are you kidding me. How many times does davis have to burn us before you stop playing man? We apparently don't have the people to do that. know your personnel...

My agenda- put blame where it lies. Yep we shouldn't have been in the game, etc etc etc. Good, but we were. Doesn't matter what should have been, it matters what was... we were winning by 3 with 1 min 37 seconds to go, they had one time out and were on their 15 yard line.

This wasn't Montana and Rice bro- it was smith and davis...

Well said spkb. Regardless of turnovers, losing with 1:37 remaining on a pass by Alex Smith to Vernon Davis......again...... is unacceptable. Alex Smith......one of the worst QB's in the league!!! Simple prevent would have kept them from a TD! For that alone, management should have fired Williams instead of giving him the dignity of accepting another job first.

I hear you spkb and G.

Did anyone see the halftime interview with Vernon Davis during the Packers/Giants game? He said that he was shocked the Saints were blitzing and covering him one on one in man defense. He told Alex Smith to just throw him the ball.

You know it's bad when the other team is excited about your playcalling. The only way the niners score is if we man-blitz and that's exactly what we did. The niners knew it and all of us fans knew it. If the Saints had stuck to their "prevent defense" the best the niners were going to do was a 50+ yard field goal attempt.

The prevent defense is bad against some QB's but Alex Smith isn't one of them. Smith was jittery in the pocket and didn't want to force anything down the field against our prevent defense. He was taking a quick look then checking down. By going to a man-blitz you allow a jittery QB to get rid of it quick and give their playmakers a chance to break a tackle or 2 and get a big gainer.

I hope GW joins the Rams this week so we can move on already.

Yeah......I almost threw up in my mouth watching it. Ughhh!!!!! Seriously, our defense needs an overhaul.....starting with Greg Williams.

This needs to get done so an offer can be made to spagnola or del rio...either way...what the team does not need is to let both of those guys get jobs while GW decides what to do...take out the trash already...its starting to stink...make the offers NOW

Over and out. It is official on NFL Network, GW is off to St.Louis.

He was a part , a hugh part, of these current Saints and making this team have its' first SB win. The years building up to that were pretty good. The years after have kept the Saints as a contender.
I am sure the man did not want to go out like this. I am sure he will regret this in career. GW was , I bet, going to St. Louis anyway. This last game did make his choice, but his good friend, with whom he has worked with for a number of good years, became HC there. Reading between the lines, this was in the makings since well before this last Saints ' game.
Second chances do not come around for any of us in things sometimes.
Best to GW in St. Louis and to the Saints 2012.

And whodat4life, maybe we should remove that word from your thread title.

I keep thinking I will see a bigger picture, but I can't help blaming GW. The thing is, even after all the turnovers and all the mistakes, we could have still pulled it out. Even after the 18yard gain, they had less than a minute and EVERYONE knew they had to pass it down field and EVERYONE knew if we blitzed and they picked it up, it would be a big gain, and GW STILL SENT THE BLITZ. The Saints shouldn't have even been in the game, but they were, and should have won if not for the Defensive play calling. WTF?