N/S Is Eli elite?

QBREES9 · 01-29-2012, 08:42 PM

Eli, Rivers, Stafford, Roethlisberger and Romo are in the second tier. Their getting there just not yet.

Budsdrinker · 01-30-2012, 09:02 AM

Eli is elite. He has the most 4th quarter TD's in a season in the history of the NFL to demonstrate his comeback skills. In SB42 when he avoided the sack and completed the 4th down pass to Tyree, that was amazing. He belongs in the elite class and after his second SB ring it should quiet the nay sayers.

Euphoria · 01-30-2012, 09:31 AM

Nope, Dan Marino is not elite.

He has some of the requirements but lacking the jewelry department.

Danno · 01-30-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

so Dan Marino is not elite?

Of course he is.

Its a team sport.

SaintsBro · 01-30-2012, 12:06 PM

My own personal definition of "elite" is basically, first a guy who has mountains of very impressive stats, above and beyond the other QBs out there....and then the intangible part of it is, him being the guy who just WILLS his team to win, who makes stuff happen on the field almost by sheer willpower alone. And you can't keep him down. It's like an intangible, "if he wants it, he somehow finds a way to make it happen" type of thing. Things like Elway's "The Drive" or Brett Favre's crazy underhand "shuffle pass" or Brees using his footwork to extend plays, the ability to make plays in the clutch -- to me that is elite. And to me that quality is definitely Peyton, Brady, Brees, and Aaron Rodgers above the rest. And Eli is probably coming into that category, on the borderline, with all the 4th quarter comebacks he has etc.

Mardigras9 · 01-30-2012, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Eli, Rivers, Stafford, Roethlisberger and Romo are in the second tier. Their getting there just not yet.

Agreed, Eli is good and certainly is the luckiest QB in the league.

AlaskaSaints · 01-30-2012, 02:46 PM

There's "ugly-elite" and there's elite.

He gets them there, but has an ugly way of doing it.

He's a Southern Boy, and that's okay in my book.

Alaska

skymike · 01-31-2012, 04:34 PM

Ok... I love the Mannings, ok? :

I think Eli looks like Gomer Pyle falling out of a tree, when he throws
sometimes.

Not everyone is a statue of Johnny Unitas.

Seriously, I dont know if we can really knock his form, because a lot of times his form happens because he is getting the royal poop knocked out
of him as he releases. Heres what I do know.

-- He wins. He finds a way to win.

-- He has guts. I couldnt stand in that pocket and take the beatings
Ive seen him take, then get up, call the play and stand in there again.
He should be ducking like Jim Everett by now, and yet he stands in there,
grits his teeth (or an assortment of contorted faces) and he delivers. Eli is a tough man.

-- He is smarter than his facial expressions. Eli has developed, and will continue to develop, possibly up to Peyton's level, mentally. His reads
should get better every year, and I think he'll eventually outsmart defenses. Nobody thinks he's carrying the Giants yet, but I think someday soon he will be.

Playing QB is not always pretty: A lot of great QBs are smarter than
their facial expressions:

but Eli's tha Man(ning). Im rooting for him!

Halo · 01-31-2012, 04:44 PM

Unlike making the "Hall of Fame" where people are voted in on a body of work, "Elite" is subjective and comes down to personal fan preference. There is no NFL definition of what "Elite" is or means.

So who and what is "elite"? The sky is the limit.

Jamessr · 01-31-2012, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

There is no NFL definition of what "Elite" is or means.

Someone said it earlier... One thing is you gotta win the big one. Sorry Marino fans... and its just my opinion.

1. Gotta have a ring +1
2. Must be able to raise playing level of other people +1
3. And from Warren Sapp on No Huddle... Must be able to put the entire team on your shoulders and will them to win +1

Once again if Eli's last name was different being elite wouldn't be an issue.

01-30-2012, 09:48 AM	#24
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by mikesaintfan so Dan Marino is not elite? Of course he is. Its a team sport.

01-30-2012, 12:45 PM	#26
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Originally Posted by QBREES9 Eli, Rivers, Stafford, Roethlisberger and Romo are in the second tier. Their getting there just not yet. Agreed, Eli is good and certainly is the luckiest QB in the league.

01-31-2012, 04:34 PM	#28
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Ok... I love the Mannings, ok? : I think Eli looks like Gomer Pyle falling out of a tree, when he throws sometimes. Not everyone is a statue of Johnny Unitas. Seriously, I dont know if we can really knock his form, because a lot of times his form happens because he is getting the royal poop knocked out of him as he releases. Heres what I do know. -- He wins. He finds a way to win. -- He has guts. I couldnt stand in that pocket and take the beatings Ive seen him take, then get up, call the play and stand in there again. He should be ducking like Jim Everett by now, and yet he stands in there, grits his teeth (or an assortment of contorted faces) and he delivers. Eli is a tough man. -- He is smarter than his facial expressions. Eli has developed, and will continue to develop, possibly up to Peyton's level, mentally. His reads should get better every year, and I think he'll eventually outsmart defenses. Nobody thinks he's carrying the Giants yet, but I think someday soon he will be. Playing QB is not always pretty: A lot of great QBs are smarter than their facial expressions: but Eli's tha Man(ning). Im rooting for him!
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01-31-2012, 05:01 PM	#30
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Originally Posted by Halo There is no NFL definition of what "Elite" is or means. Someone said it earlier... One thing is you gotta win the big one. Sorry Marino fans... and its just my opinion. 1. Gotta have a ring +1 2. Must be able to raise playing level of other people +1 3. And from Warren Sapp on No Huddle... Must be able to put the entire team on your shoulders and will them to win +1 Once again if Eli's last name was different being elite wouldn't be an issue.

01-29-2012, 08:42 PM	#21
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Eli, Rivers, Stafford, Roethlisberger and Romo are in the second tier. Their getting there just not yet.

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01-30-2012, 09:02 AM	#22
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Eli is elite. He has the most 4th quarter TD's in a season in the history of the NFL to demonstrate his comeback skills. In SB42 when he avoided the sack and completed the 4th down pass to Tyree, that was amazing. He belongs in the elite class and after his second SB ring it should quiet the nay sayers.

01-30-2012, 09:31 AM	#23
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Nope, Dan Marino is not elite. He has some of the requirements but lacking the jewelry department.

01-30-2012, 12:06 PM	#25
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	My own personal definition of "elite" is basically, first a guy who has mountains of very impressive stats, above and beyond the other QBs out there....and then the intangible part of it is, him being the guy who just WILLS his team to win, who makes stuff happen on the field almost by sheer willpower alone. And you can't keep him down. It's like an intangible, "if he wants it, he somehow finds a way to make it happen" type of thing. Things like Elway's "The Drive" or Brett Favre's crazy underhand "shuffle pass" or Brees using his footwork to extend plays, the ability to make plays in the clutch -- to me that is elite. And to me that quality is definitely Peyton, Brady, Brees, and Aaron Rodgers above the rest. And Eli is probably coming into that category, on the borderline, with all the 4th quarter comebacks he has etc.

01-30-2012, 02:46 PM	#27
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	There's "ugly-elite" and there's elite. He gets them there, but has an ugly way of doing it. He's a Southern Boy, and that's okay in my book. Alaska

01-31-2012, 04:44 PM	#29
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,718 Blog Entries: 45	Unlike making the "Hall of Fame" where people are voted in on a body of work, "Elite" is subjective and comes down to personal fan preference. There is no NFL definition of what "Elite" is or means. So who and what is "elite"? The sky is the limit.