Aaron Rogers MVP

Danno · 02-05-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Couldn't agree more! 2 votes is a slap in the face of Brees. Just goes to show that breaking records mean nothing. I would have thought that would have at least made it a closer margin. This is what disappoints me the most. I know it don't really matter but I know it matters to Brees.

We thought we just saw a great year from Brees. I am predicting a better one next year. This is the type of stuff that drives a person to prove they are the best.

Agree Mike and Papz.

Rodgers deserved it, but it certainly didn't warrant a landslide. A 60/40 split is about what I expected.

FinSaint · 02-05-2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't view the award as the "most valuable to their own team", I view it as the most valuable player to the NFL, or the best player in the league that year.

The whole argument about how a specific team would do without that player is a weak argument IMO.

I don't think that the team specific value is a "weak argument" as you so elegantly put it - just another interpretation of what it means to be the "most valuable player."

And I did not state that the AP's NFL MVP award was based on that specification, because it clearly isn't, I was merely speculating on a different perspective to the whole MVP issue.

If you would pick a single player who is deemed the most valuable player to the whole league, you could just as well look up the jersey sales of all players and determine the one with the biggest sales as the most valuable as creating the most revenue to the league (as we know that it is all about the Benjamins in the end).

The way the whole selection process is set at the moment it is nothing more than a glorified popularity contest, and, therefore, none of the stats really matter - only the perceptions and preferences of the individuals casting the votes.

Alas, I agree that in the end making Rodgers the MVP was probably the right decision, but as stated before it should've been closer considering the historical year Brees had.

Once again the footballoutsiders.com provides all of us stat junkies an alternative way of looking at the respective seasons of both Brees and Rodgers:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 QUARTERBACKS

As an simplification they calculated that Brees was the QB with the most total value, but Rodgers was the QB with the most value per play. So it is only a matter of how you want to choose which one was the better overall QB in 2011 (or the more valuable).

Mardigras9 · 02-06-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Had zero issues with Rodgers winning the award as it was well deserving. What I had a problem with was the 2 votes Brees got... 2 frickin' votes.

Exactly, WTF? That was a total insult.

saintfan · 02-06-2012, 12:18 PM

Put Brees on any of the major market teams and he's a three time MVP winner. Period. The award is a joke unless Danno is right. If it is most valuable to the league then that changes things. But I don't think that's the spirit of the award. That's just my .02. Brees was robbed again.

Danno · 02-06-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Put Brees on any of the major market teams and he's a three time MVP winner. Period. The award is a joke unless Danno is right. If it is most valuable to the league then that changes things. But I don't think that's the spirit of the award. That's just my .02. Brees was robbed again.

Well first off, individual awards in a team sport is subjective. Its merely opinion which spurns debate, which can be fun as well as frustrating. Its meaningless in the big picture.

saintfan · 02-06-2012, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well first off, individual awards in a team sport is subjective. Its merely opinion which spurns debate, which can be fun as well as frustrating. Its meaningless in the big picture.

Year in and year out the stars have to align. Of course it's subjective, but it shouldn't be as subjective as it is. Being most valuable doesn't mean you have to have the leagues best record, or at least it shouldn't.

Anybody here think Rodgers was 'more' valuable to his team than Brady? Brees? Hell, even Cam Newton probably had more value. I just don't think there is any defense for this award based on how it is labeled and how votes are cast. As it stands it should be called the "Media Darling QB Award", because as it stands right now it's a joke to call it "MVP", subjective or not.

nicebush25 · 02-06-2012, 05:14 PM

matt flynn week 17 stats = aaron rodgers overrated

Danno · 02-06-2012, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by nicebush25

matt flynn week 17 stats = aaron rodgers overrated

Drew Brees 14 interceptions = Aaron Rodgers deserved it more.

nicebush25 · 02-06-2012, 05:27 PM

Eli or Brady were better options if it cant be brees. there teams would tank without them

saintfan · 02-06-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Drew Brees 14 interceptions = Aaron Rodgers deserved it more.

While Brees was breaking Decades-old Records, he threw a few pics more than Rodgers.

Okay Danno. Rodgers deserved it more because of the interception stat. C'mon man...

02-05-2012, 03:11 PM	#31
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by CharityMike Couldn't agree more! 2 votes is a slap in the face of Brees. Just goes to show that breaking records mean nothing. I would have thought that would have at least made it a closer margin. This is what disappoints me the most. I know it don't really matter but I know it matters to Brees. We thought we just saw a great year from Brees. I am predicting a better one next year. This is the type of stuff that drives a person to prove they are the best. Agree Mike and Papz. Rodgers deserved it, but it certainly didn't warrant a landslide. A 60/40 split is about what I expected.

02-05-2012, 04:53 PM	#32
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Danno I don't view the award as the "most valuable to their own team", I view it as the most valuable player to the NFL, or the best player in the league that year. The whole argument about how a specific team would do without that player is a weak argument IMO. I don't think that the team specific value is a "weak argument" as you so elegantly put it - just another interpretation of what it means to be the "most valuable player." And I did not state that the AP's NFL MVP award was based on that specification, because it clearly isn't, I was merely speculating on a different perspective to the whole MVP issue. If you would pick a single player who is deemed the most valuable player to the whole league, you could just as well look up the jersey sales of all players and determine the one with the biggest sales as the most valuable as creating the most revenue to the league (as we know that it is all about the Benjamins in the end). The way the whole selection process is set at the moment it is nothing more than a glorified popularity contest, and, therefore, none of the stats really matter - only the perceptions and preferences of the individuals casting the votes. Alas, I agree that in the end making Rodgers the MVP was probably the right decision, but as stated before it should've been closer considering the historical year Brees had. Once again the footballoutsiders.com provides all of us stat junkies an alternative way of looking at the respective seasons of both Brees and Rodgers: FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2011 QUARTERBACKS As an simplification they calculated that Brees was the QB with the most total value, but Rodgers was the QB with the most value per play. So it is only a matter of how you want to choose which one was the better overall QB in 2011 (or the more valuable).
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

02-06-2012, 12:13 PM	#33
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Originally Posted by papz Had zero issues with Rodgers winning the award as it was well deserving. What I had a problem with was the 2 votes Brees got... 2 frickin' votes. Exactly, WTF? That was a total insult.

02-06-2012, 12:28 PM	#35
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by saintfan Put Brees on any of the major market teams and he's a three time MVP winner. Period. The award is a joke unless Danno is right. If it is most valuable to the league then that changes things. But I don't think that's the spirit of the award. That's just my .02. Brees was robbed again. Well first off, individual awards in a team sport is subjective. Its merely opinion which spurns debate, which can be fun as well as frustrating. Its meaningless in the big picture.

02-06-2012, 12:46 PM	#36
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno Well first off, individual awards in a team sport is subjective. Its merely opinion which spurns debate, which can be fun as well as frustrating. Its meaningless in the big picture. Year in and year out the stars have to align. Of course it's subjective, but it shouldn't be as subjective as it is. Being most valuable doesn't mean you have to have the leagues best record, or at least it shouldn't. Anybody here think Rodgers was 'more' valuable to his team than Brady? Brees? Hell, even Cam Newton probably had more value. I just don't think there is any defense for this award based on how it is labeled and how votes are cast. As it stands it should be called the "Media Darling QB Award", because as it stands right now it's a joke to call it "MVP", subjective or not.
	C'mon Man...

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02-06-2012, 12:18 PM	#34
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Put Brees on any of the major market teams and he's a three time MVP winner. Period. The award is a joke unless Danno is right. If it is most valuable to the league then that changes things. But I don't think that's the spirit of the award. That's just my .02. Brees was robbed again.

02-06-2012, 05:14 PM	#37
nicebush25 lightly scented Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 142	matt flynn week 17 stats = aaron rodgers overrated saintfan likes this.

02-06-2012, 05:21 PM	#38
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by nicebush25 matt flynn week 17 stats = aaron rodgers overrated Drew Brees 14 interceptions = Aaron Rodgers deserved it more.

02-06-2012, 05:27 PM	#39
nicebush25 lightly scented Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 142	Eli or Brady were better options if it cant be brees. there teams would tank without them

02-06-2012, 05:32 PM	#40
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno Drew Brees 14 interceptions = Aaron Rodgers deserved it more. While Brees was breaking Decades-old Records, he threw a few pics more than Rodgers. Okay Danno. Rodgers deserved it more because of the interception stat. C'mon man...

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