Artilce-Team needs

Danno · 02-08-2012, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

What are you smoking on?

You want the Saints to draft a safety who can interrupt passes and then you want to move Jenkins - who has that exact ability, but was hampered by GW's schemes - back to being a corner?! I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic in that.

Also, Isa Abdul-Quddus will probably be a really good safety in a couple of years, and with his ability to deliver bone-crunching hits - going back to his college days - he'll probably replace Harper as the SS in the future. There really hasn't been a lot of talk about him, but I have a feeling he'll be a player we will all love in a couple of seasons.

Greer will be the #1 CB followed by Robinson as the #2, and Patrick will fill in as the #3. I don't think the Saints will resign Porter, because he'll ask for more than what is sensible for the Saints to pay a #3 CB - and yes: Robinson is better than Porter! If he is willing to give the Saints a discount, then I can see him returning, but I don't think that will happen. He is still remembered for his 2009 playoff picks, and there are a lot of teams that will want to show him the money based on that reputation alone - he will be over-payed by someone.

Ingram traded... you have to be kidding! No team will trade away their 1st round pick of the past season out of a whim, and even if they were willing to do it, they wouldn't find a deal to make it worth while. Meachem is out of the question for being traded, because he is an UFA and, therefore, cannot be traded by the Saints.

And on a more general note, people need to stop stating that Rogers and Franklin need to be cut. Both of those players only signed a 1-year deal and, therefore, won't automatically be back with the Saints unless they re-sign with the Saints. There is no money or cap relief to be lost or gained by the release of these players!

Smith is a good player, not worth the deal he has now, but definitely worth keeping around with a new restructured deal. Ellis will be on a contract year, and with the money the Saints would save on cutting him (~$4M), it might be difficult to find as adequate of a replacement from the FA market. I say let him play out his contract under Spags and he might end up surprising all of us - if not, he'll be an UFA in 2013 and off the books.

I know many of us would like to see a complete overhaul of the Saints' defense with the disappointing way the season ended, but I don't see that happening and more so I don't think there is a need for it. The core of the defensive players is good - not great but good enough - and with a couple of additions and with better schemes to work with they can be really effective next season under Spags.

I gave this a "like" only because "love" is not an option.

Its like I wrote the damn thing myself.

FinSaint · 02-08-2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I gave this a "like" only because "love" is not an option.

Its like I wrote the damn thing myself.

"It's a copycat league and this is a copycat board.

halloween 65 · 02-08-2012, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

"It's a copycat league and this is a copycat board.

I just don't see any team that would copycat our defense. Ellis, Smith and Vilma have had plenty of chances to step up and play well and haven't. It's time to let go of the what could have been and get players in here that can. They served their purpose to a point, when they were on their game it was great, now their not and I'm not one to let them off the hook when they make that much money and don't deliver results, this D has to get better, cut them, trade them, whatever. We can find players to produce better with that money.

Supertek · 02-09-2012, 10:14 AM

Can't smoke anymore but I wish I could. I think drastic changes have to be made not going to be able to do it in the draft either. I would trade Igram for M. Williams or another top defensive lineman with a few years left. This is just a hunch not sure it will be Ingram but I think someone will go for sure. If you think we can make this defense work with what we have now we will continue to have the same result next year. So I am in agreement with H-65. I do not think Smith or Ellis will be the bait for a trade for a top replacement they would stay with what they have.

FinSaint · 02-09-2012, 10:18 AM

How are you going to trade Ingram for Mario Williams who is an UFA??

Nevermind the fact that even if the Texans still had him under contract they would never make that trade nor would the Saints even offer it to them.

In today's NFL which is so strictly regulated by the salary cap space each team has to work with, along with player contracts which often have variable amounts of guaranteed money as a part to them, it is no longer possible to make drastic overhauls to a team roster in one single off-season. Therefore, it is only logical that they keep the core intact - which is not that bad mind you - and try to improve in the key areas the coaches diagnose as the most important and most easily improvable with few additions from both the FA pool and from the draft.

Today's franchises are built and maintained to some extent through the draft and only few teams are able to bring in large numbers of veteran FAs on a continuous cycle and still remain successful - New England and Bill Belichick being one of the only ones to successfully do that year after year, but even they have their core group of players and are very active during the drafts.

Boutte · 02-09-2012, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

I'd love to get Mathis but I'm sure he will demand to much money for the Saints to look at, why is OT that big of a need?

Good question. We could use some depth but that's it. We may be in the market for a guard though.

Rugby Saint II · 02-09-2012, 04:16 PM

Defensive Tackles Two of them!

halloween 65 · 02-09-2012, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Defensive Tackles Two of them!

I agree 100% with that, it all starts in the middle.

02-08-2012, 06:49 PM	#21
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by FinSaint What are you smoking on? You want the Saints to draft a safety who can interrupt passes and then you want to move Jenkins - who has that exact ability, but was hampered by GW's schemes - back to being a corner?! I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic in that. Also, Isa Abdul-Quddus will probably be a really good safety in a couple of years, and with his ability to deliver bone-crunching hits - going back to his college days - he'll probably replace Harper as the SS in the future. There really hasn't been a lot of talk about him, but I have a feeling he'll be a player we will all love in a couple of seasons. Greer will be the #1 CB followed by Robinson as the #2, and Patrick will fill in as the #3. I don't think the Saints will resign Porter, because he'll ask for more than what is sensible for the Saints to pay a #3 CB - and yes: Robinson is better than Porter! If he is willing to give the Saints a discount, then I can see him returning, but I don't think that will happen. He is still remembered for his 2009 playoff picks, and there are a lot of teams that will want to show him the money based on that reputation alone - he will be over-payed by someone. Ingram traded... you have to be kidding! No team will trade away their 1st round pick of the past season out of a whim, and even if they were willing to do it, they wouldn't find a deal to make it worth while. Meachem is out of the question for being traded, because he is an UFA and, therefore, cannot be traded by the Saints. And on a more general note, people need to stop stating that Rogers and Franklin need to be cut. Both of those players only signed a 1-year deal and, therefore, won't automatically be back with the Saints unless they re-sign with the Saints. There is no money or cap relief to be lost or gained by the release of these players! Smith is a good player, not worth the deal he has now, but definitely worth keeping around with a new restructured deal. Ellis will be on a contract year, and with the money the Saints would save on cutting him (~$4M), it might be difficult to find as adequate of a replacement from the FA market. I say let him play out his contract under Spags and he might end up surprising all of us - if not, he'll be an UFA in 2013 and off the books. I know many of us would like to see a complete overhaul of the Saints' defense with the disappointing way the season ended, but I don't see that happening and more so I don't think there is a need for it. The core of the defensive players is good - not great but good enough - and with a couple of additions and with better schemes to work with they can be really effective next season under Spags. I gave this a "like" only because "love" is not an option. Its like I wrote the damn thing myself.

02-08-2012, 06:58 PM	#22
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Danno I gave this a "like" only because "love" is not an option. Its like I wrote the damn thing myself. "It's a copycat league and this is a copycat board.

02-08-2012, 08:48 PM	#23
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by FinSaint "It's a copycat league and this is a copycat board. I just don't see any team that would copycat our defense. Ellis, Smith and Vilma have had plenty of chances to step up and play well and haven't. It's time to let go of the what could have been and get players in here that can. They served their purpose to a point, when they were on their game it was great, now their not and I'm not one to let them off the hook when they make that much money and don't deliver results, this D has to get better, cut them, trade them, whatever. We can find players to produce better with that money.

02-09-2012, 10:18 AM	#25
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	How are you going to trade Ingram for Mario Williams who is an UFA?? Nevermind the fact that even if the Texans still had him under contract they would never make that trade nor would the Saints even offer it to them. In today's NFL which is so strictly regulated by the salary cap space each team has to work with, along with player contracts which often have variable amounts of guaranteed money as a part to them, it is no longer possible to make drastic overhauls to a team roster in one single off-season. Therefore, it is only logical that they keep the core intact - which is not that bad mind you - and try to improve in the key areas the coaches diagnose as the most important and most easily improvable with few additions from both the FA pool and from the draft. Today's franchises are built and maintained to some extent through the draft and only few teams are able to bring in large numbers of veteran FAs on a continuous cycle and still remain successful - New England and Bill Belichick being one of the only ones to successfully do that year after year, but even they have their core group of players and are very active during the drafts.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

02-09-2012, 01:36 PM	#26
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 I'd love to get Mathis but I'm sure he will demand to much money for the Saints to look at, why is OT that big of a need? Good question. We could use some depth but that's it. We may be in the market for a guard though.

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02-09-2012, 10:14 AM	#24
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Can't smoke anymore but I wish I could. I think drastic changes have to be made not going to be able to do it in the draft either. I would trade Igram for M. Williams or another top defensive lineman with a few years left. This is just a hunch not sure it will be Ingram but I think someone will go for sure. If you think we can make this defense work with what we have now we will continue to have the same result next year. So I am in agreement with H-65. I do not think Smith or Ellis will be the bait for a trade for a top replacement they would stay with what they have.

02-09-2012, 04:16 PM	#27
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02-09-2012, 06:05 PM	#28
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Defensive Tackles Two of them! I agree 100% with that, it all starts in the middle.