What could all these Rams coaches mean for the Saints defense?

02-10-2012, 08:11 AM

Goal in St Louis - fix an entire defense

Goal in New Orleans - fix a few positions

Not all good coordinators are cut out for HC. But my money is on Spags having a more focused role. Especially on a championship caliber franchise.

Marlboro Man · 02-13-2012, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

These coaches have the pedigree and the ability to perform to and above the expectations we all have for them, it is only a matter of if they are able to succeed under the given circumstances, and that is something that would be true to any coach(es) that the Saints hire.

I sure hope these guys can make a difference. I've been asking, and still haven't gotten a response, but we're not gonna have the ability to make a lot of moves this off season so if we haven't been able to generate a decent pass rush with the d-line coach we still have, or with the talent we had and have added to, how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch?

CharityMike · 02-13-2012, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

I sure hope these guys can make a difference. I've been asking, and still haven't gotten a response, but we're not gonna have the ability to make a lot of moves this off season so if we haven't been able to generate a decent pass rush with the d-line coach we still have, or with the talent we had and have added to, how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch?

I am hoping that we atleast get one good defensive guy from free agency. I am also hoping that the talent is here and just wasn't being utilized in a complex GW scheme. I would also agree though that our D line has always been booty and don't understand why that coach is still here. Maybe Spags can be the difference we need on the D line.

|Mitch| · 02-13-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch?

Hopefully by utilizing and maximizing the talent of the youngsters we have...

FinSaint · 02-13-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

so if we haven't been able to generate a decent pass rush with the d-line coach we still have, or with the talent we had and have added to, how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch?

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I would also agree though that our D line has always been booty and don't understand why that coach is still here. Maybe Spags can be the difference we need on the D line.

I've seen it being stated in various sources that Johnson is one of the best D-Line coaches in the league, but like you Mike said, it's not like the D-Line was bad just during GW's tenure, and Johnson hasn't been with the Saints longer than that.

He seems to had done a good job with the Failclowns D-Line back in 2001-06 and then with the Broncos D, but for some reason that hasn't translated into an increased effectiveness of the Saints' D-Line.

I'm hoping like you said Mike that it was GW's complicated schemes that held Johnson and the D-Line back and that they'll both be able to flourish working under Spags.

But who knows..? At least Spags didn't want to get rid of him (or couldn't) so that should count for something.

voodooido · 02-14-2012, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Spags turned a struggling Chris long into a 10 sack a season sort of guy, he turned justin tuck from 4 sacks in 3 seasons to a guy with over 50 sacks.

I trust him

And people have to remember, last year the Rams offense could not score with a prostitute. The defense was overworked

hagan714 · 02-14-2012, 08:07 PM

i always liked the rams talent in the secondary. but how much was coaching that hurt them? well we are about to find out

FinSaint · 02-14-2012, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i always liked the rams talent in the secondary. but how much was coaching that hurt them? well we are about to find out

Their secondary was decimated by injuries last season, so I think coaching only helped them in that regard because they were fielding 3rd and 4th string guys as DBs.

hagan714 · 02-15-2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Their secondary was decimated by injuries last season, so I think coaching only helped them in that regard because they were fielding 3rd and 4th string guys as DBs.

bingo fin i agree. they have an eye for talent in the secondary.

02-10-2012, 08:11 AM	#11
Threaded by saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Goal in St Louis - fix an entire defense Goal in New Orleans - fix a few positions Not all good coordinators are cut out for HC. But my money is on Spags having a more focused role. Especially on a championship caliber franchise. CharityMike likes this.
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02-13-2012, 07:15 PM	#12
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Originally Posted by FinSaint These coaches have the pedigree and the ability to perform to and above the expectations we all have for them, it is only a matter of if they are able to succeed under the given circumstances, and that is something that would be true to any coach(es) that the Saints hire. I sure hope these guys can make a difference. I've been asking, and still haven't gotten a response, but we're not gonna have the ability to make a lot of moves this off season so if we haven't been able to generate a decent pass rush with the d-line coach we still have, or with the talent we had and have added to, how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch?

02-13-2012, 07:26 PM	#13
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man I sure hope these guys can make a difference. I've been asking, and still haven't gotten a response, but we're not gonna have the ability to make a lot of moves this off season so if we haven't been able to generate a decent pass rush with the d-line coach we still have, or with the talent we had and have added to, how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch? I am hoping that we atleast get one good defensive guy from free agency. I am also hoping that the talent is here and just wasn't being utilized in a complex GW scheme. I would also agree though that our D line has always been booty and don't understand why that coach is still here. Maybe Spags can be the difference we need on the D line. FinSaint likes this.

02-13-2012, 07:41 PM	#14
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch? Hopefully by utilizing and maximizing the talent of the youngsters we have...

02-13-2012, 08:10 PM	#15
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man so if we haven't been able to generate a decent pass rush with the d-line coach we still have, or with the talent we had and have added to, how is Spags all of a sudden going to make this d-line and lb corps into a fearsome bunch? Originally Posted by CharityMike I would also agree though that our D line has always been booty and don't understand why that coach is still here. Maybe Spags can be the difference we need on the D line. I've seen it being stated in various sources that Johnson is one of the best D-Line coaches in the league, but like you Mike said, it's not like the D-Line was bad just during GW's tenure, and Johnson hasn't been with the Saints longer than that. He seems to had done a good job with the Failclowns D-Line back in 2001-06 and then with the Broncos D, but for some reason that hasn't translated into an increased effectiveness of the Saints' D-Line. I'm hoping like you said Mike that it was GW's complicated schemes that held Johnson and the D-Line back and that they'll both be able to flourish working under Spags. But who knows..? At least Spags didn't want to get rid of him (or couldn't) so that should count for something.
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02-14-2012, 11:25 AM	#16
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Originally Posted by dizzle88 Spags turned a struggling Chris long into a 10 sack a season sort of guy, he turned justin tuck from 4 sacks in 3 seasons to a guy with over 50 sacks. I trust him And people have to remember, last year the Rams offense could not score with a prostitute. The defense was overworked papz likes this.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	i always liked the rams talent in the secondary. but how much was coaching that hurt them? well we are about to find out

02-14-2012, 11:00 PM	#18
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by hagan714 i always liked the rams talent in the secondary. but how much was coaching that hurt them? well we are about to find out Their secondary was decimated by injuries last season, so I think coaching only helped them in that regard because they were fielding 3rd and 4th string guys as DBs.

02-15-2012, 07:25 AM	#19
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Originally Posted by FinSaint Their secondary was decimated by injuries last season, so I think coaching only helped them in that regard because they were fielding 3rd and 4th string guys as DBs. bingo fin i agree. they have an eye for talent in the secondary.

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