Jo-Lonn Dunbar ready to lead Saints linebackers?

FinSaint · 02-12-2012, 02:11 PM

Hold your horses... Dunbar is a good LB, but not great and definitely not at the level where Vilma was in 2009 - before the two seasons with injuries.

If Vilma can overcome the injury-bug of the past two seasons and rehab successfully to his former level - there's no debate about whether or not the Saints should keep him.

But that is a big "if."

Danno · 02-12-2012, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Hold your horses... Dunbar is a good LB, but not great and definitely not at the level where Vilma was in 2009 - before the two seasons with injuries.

If Vilma can overcome the injury-bug of the past two seasons and rehab successfully to his former level - there's no debate about whether or not the Saints should keep him.

But that is a big "if."

Exactly...

Vilma at 100% >>> anyone on our defense.

Vilma at 80% = lets take a closer look at Dunbar.

CharityMike · 02-12-2012, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Exactly...

Vilma at 100% >>> anyone on our defense.

Vilma at 80% = lets take a closer look at Dunbar.

But this is where the problem is. Vilma was at or below 80% this year. YET he still played even when he was not at full strength. If he is still here with the same pay he will be on the field regardless.

Coach's get in love affairs with players. They say they are going to play the best player but it is just bs to make people feel warm and fuzzy. They are going to play the player making the most money. This is the time of the season to make changes. If we don't see some renegotiated contracts on defense, you know who your starter is going to be.

SapperSaint · 02-12-2012, 03:44 PM

[QUOTE=CharityMike;377679]Coach's get in love affairs with players./QUOTE]

[see Les Miles/Jordan Jefferson]

I like Dunbar because of his aggressiveness. As much as I like him, I won't say he is better than a 100% Vilma. I do agree Dunbar is better than a 80% Vilma.

I hope Pro Coaches don't let "Favorites" play into "Who plays and who doesn't". I still just don't understand why Shanle was still out there. At some point "favortisim" seems like the only answer. So I see where you're coming from Mike.

Mardigras9 · 02-14-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Exactly...

Vilma at 100% >>> anyone on our defense.

Vilma at 80% = lets take a closer look at Dunbar.

Not sure this is still the case. If Dunbar had started all those times he probably should have, what would his % have been then.

mikesaintfan · 02-13-2012, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Hold your horses... Dunbar is a good LB, but not great and definitely not at the level where Vilma was in 2009 - before the two seasons with injuries.

If Vilma can overcome the injury-bug of the past two seasons and rehab successfully to his former level - there's no debate about whether or not the Saints should keep him.

But that is a big "if."

his knees are done...he makes 2-3 big hits a game that look great...but he is a shadow of his old self...unless he takes a MAJOR pay cut, i see him elsewhere...

FinSaint · 02-13-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

his knees are done...he makes 2-3 big hits a game that look great...but he is a shadow of his old self...unless he takes a MAJOR pay cut, i see him elsewhere...

How do you know that? Do you have some inside information about how he has rehabbed?

I just think it's too early to make statements like that because we simply don't know definitely if his knees are done - if he's really done I have no doubt that he will retire like Lofa Tatupu did this season and there'll be no need to cut him.

mikesaintfan · 02-13-2012, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

How do you know that? Do you have some inside information about how he has rehabbed?

I just think it's too early to make statements like that because we simply don't know definitely if his knees are done - if he's really done I have no doubt that he will retire like Lofa Tatupu did this season and there'll be no need to cut him.

NOPE...just my opinion...this is a public forum right? I did not know i had to have insider clearence to post my opinion...Ill clarify now for ya...Im not a doctor, nor do i have medical training...BUT.... i watch the games, same as you..we all have our opinions and mine is that after several knee surgeries, it is the EXCEPTION when players return to their pre-injury abilities...not the RULE...
all the time we hear of a player bucking the odds by rehabing well(a certain QB comes to mind)...but how many more do we not hear about except to announce their retirement or go play 3rd string for some other team...
...JV was awesome in 2009 but he has had more than 1 surgery...didnt he miss a whole year when he was in NY?
just sayin

FinSaint · 02-13-2012, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

NOPE...just my opinion...this is a public forum right? I did not know i had to have insider clearence to post my opinion...Ill clarify now for ya...Im not a doctor, nor do i have medical training...BUT.... i watch the games, same as you..we all have our opinions and mine is that after several knee surgeries, it is the EXCEPTION when players return to their pre-injury abilities...not the RULE...
all the time we hear of a player bucking the odds by rehabing well(a certain QB comes to mind)...but how many more do we not hear about except to announce their retirement or go play 3rd string for some other team...
...JV was awesome in 2009 but he has had more than 1 surgery...didnt he miss a whole year when he was in NY?
just sayin

I hear ya, and of course you can post whatever you want, I never said you couldn't. It's just kind of sad when people are so ready to write off Vilma based on the history you mentioned above, and seemingly disregarding the fact that he was one of the most effective MLBs in the league just 2 seasons removed.

I still want to hold on to the hope that he'll be good as new (or as close to it as possible) come next season, and that he'll dominate that MLB position as very few individuals can. That hope is alive as long as I hear something official about the opposite. In a matter of a fact, I was genuinely asking if you had hear something concrete about his health at this point in time.

02-12-2012, 02:11 PM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Hold your horses... Dunbar is a good LB, but not great and definitely not at the level where Vilma was in 2009 - before the two seasons with injuries. If Vilma can overcome the injury-bug of the past two seasons and rehab successfully to his former level - there's no debate about whether or not the Saints should keep him. But that is a big "if." Danno likes this.

02-12-2012, 02:15 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by FinSaint Hold your horses... Dunbar is a good LB, but not great and definitely not at the level where Vilma was in 2009 - before the two seasons with injuries. If Vilma can overcome the injury-bug of the past two seasons and rehab successfully to his former level - there's no debate about whether or not the Saints should keep him. But that is a big "if." Exactly... Vilma at 100% >>> anyone on our defense. Vilma at 80% = lets take a closer look at Dunbar.

02-12-2012, 02:30 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by Danno Exactly... Vilma at 100% >>> anyone on our defense. Vilma at 80% = lets take a closer look at Dunbar. But this is where the problem is. Vilma was at or below 80% this year. YET he still played even when he was not at full strength. If he is still here with the same pay he will be on the field regardless. Coach's get in love affairs with players. They say they are going to play the best player but it is just bs to make people feel warm and fuzzy. They are going to play the player making the most money. This is the time of the season to make changes. If we don't see some renegotiated contracts on defense, you know who your starter is going to be.

02-14-2012, 01:50 PM	#5
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Originally Posted by Danno Exactly... Vilma at 100% >>> anyone on our defense. Vilma at 80% = lets take a closer look at Dunbar. Not sure this is still the case. If Dunbar had started all those times he probably should have, what would his % have been then.

02-13-2012, 07:18 AM	#6
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Originally Posted by FinSaint Hold your horses... Dunbar is a good LB, but not great and definitely not at the level where Vilma was in 2009 - before the two seasons with injuries. If Vilma can overcome the injury-bug of the past two seasons and rehab successfully to his former level - there's no debate about whether or not the Saints should keep him. But that is a big "if." his knees are done...he makes 2-3 big hits a game that look great...but he is a shadow of his old self...unless he takes a MAJOR pay cut, i see him elsewhere...

02-12-2012, 03:44 PM	#4
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	[QUOTE=CharityMike;377679]Coach's get in love affairs with players./QUOTE] [see Les Miles/Jordan Jefferson] I like Dunbar because of his aggressiveness. As much as I like him, I won't say he is better than a 100% Vilma. I do agree Dunbar is better than a 80% Vilma. I hope Pro Coaches don't let "Favorites" play into "Who plays and who doesn't". I still just don't understand why Shanle was still out there. At some point "favortisim" seems like the only answer. So I see where you're coming from Mike.

02-13-2012, 09:52 AM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by mikesaintfan his knees are done...he makes 2-3 big hits a game that look great...but he is a shadow of his old self...unless he takes a MAJOR pay cut, i see him elsewhere... How do you know that? Do you have some inside information about how he has rehabbed? I just think it's too early to make statements like that because we simply don't know definitely if his knees are done - if he's really done I have no doubt that he will retire like Lofa Tatupu did this season and there'll be no need to cut him.

02-13-2012, 01:53 PM	#8
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Originally Posted by FinSaint How do you know that? Do you have some inside information about how he has rehabbed? I just think it's too early to make statements like that because we simply don't know definitely if his knees are done - if he's really done I have no doubt that he will retire like Lofa Tatupu did this season and there'll be no need to cut him. NOPE...just my opinion...this is a public forum right? I did not know i had to have insider clearence to post my opinion...Ill clarify now for ya...Im not a doctor, nor do i have medical training...BUT.... i watch the games, same as you..we all have our opinions and mine is that after several knee surgeries, it is the EXCEPTION when players return to their pre-injury abilities...not the RULE... all the time we hear of a player bucking the odds by rehabing well(a certain QB comes to mind)...but how many more do we not hear about except to announce their retirement or go play 3rd string for some other team... ...JV was awesome in 2009 but he has had more than 1 surgery...didnt he miss a whole year when he was in NY? just sayin
	perception IS reality

02-13-2012, 02:16 PM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by mikesaintfan NOPE...just my opinion...this is a public forum right? I did not know i had to have insider clearence to post my opinion...Ill clarify now for ya...Im not a doctor, nor do i have medical training...BUT.... i watch the games, same as you..we all have our opinions and mine is that after several knee surgeries, it is the EXCEPTION when players return to their pre-injury abilities...not the RULE... all the time we hear of a player bucking the odds by rehabing well(a certain QB comes to mind)...but how many more do we not hear about except to announce their retirement or go play 3rd string for some other team... ...JV was awesome in 2009 but he has had more than 1 surgery...didnt he miss a whole year when he was in NY? just sayin I hear ya, and of course you can post whatever you want, I never said you couldn't. It's just kind of sad when people are so ready to write off Vilma based on the history you mentioned above, and seemingly disregarding the fact that he was one of the most effective MLBs in the league just 2 seasons removed. I still want to hold on to the hope that he'll be good as new (or as close to it as possible) come next season, and that he'll dominate that MLB position as very few individuals can. That hope is alive as long as I hear something official about the opposite. In a matter of a fact, I was genuinely asking if you had hear something concrete about his health at this point in time.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

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