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So what does the Saints "Nascar" dline package consist of .... W Smith, Junior, Cam and Tez?
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I know I might be really reaching here but seeing as though Loomis is pulling metaphorical rabbits out of his a**.....would it be to much to see if we could maybe get Mike Wallace to replace Meach...I know he's a restricted agent and the Steelers can match but I would at least throw a number out there. The guys a straight downfield burner....If you think is YPC average was crazy with Big Ben imagine what it will be with Brees throwin to him....
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I agree that Franklin might be worth bringing back, but it would have to be at the right price like you stated, and that would have to be really cheap... dirt cheap. We haven't heard anything about him visiting or negotiating with other teams, so I don't know if it's just that teams want to hear the possible suspensions before they are willing to make a move for him or if it is that Franklin is asking for too much... or that he already has "an understanding" with the Saints about potentially coming back. I think that he might be looking to go back to a team with a predominantly 3-4 approach to the defense, which is where he shined in SF, so if the Saints are sticking with the base 4-3 I'm not sure if he would be that motivated in coming back. Also with the addition of Bunkley, who is a natural 4-3 run stuffing DT, I don't know if the Saints really need Franklin's services. If Franklin is asking for about what he got last season, which was $4M, I would much rather see that roster spot go to a rookie DT like Wolfe or Hicks, who could potentially produce some pass rush to add to the run defense. But yeah, they need to add a DT or two to the roster be it via free agency or the draft. Quote:
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The Saints have had an excellent offseason filling in gaps in the OL,DL,and LB core. Frankly the position I'm worried about the most is SS. This is no longer Williams defense, and the SS is going to have to cover people downfield. We all know that's not Harper's strength, and we can reasonably guess that he's not going to be available for much of the season. I don't have a good enough feel for Quddis or Amaya to know that they can step up and be the #1 SS in Spags' scheme. The only offensive piece left is getting Brees signed and in camp. There is actually a possibility of an embarrassment of riches on the offensive side. I will not forget that the team was possibly one defensive stop from having a good shot of winning their second ring. IMO we don't need to target any more offense. Spags' defense is going to define if the Saints can do serious damage in the coming years. That's where the focus needs to be. SFIAH |
I hear you I was just sayin if it was possible I would go for it.
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2012 New Orleans Saints Depth Chart
Note: Free Agent Signing/Retainer or Acquisition in Bold; Needs indicated in Italics WR Marques Colston, Adrian Arrington, Joe Morgan TE Jimmy Graham, David Thomas LT Jermon Bushrod LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen C Brian De La Puente RG Jahri Evans, Matt Tennant RT Zach Strief, Charles Brown WR Lance Moore, Devery Henderson QB Drew Brees, Chase Daniel FB Jed Collins, Korey Hall RB Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory RDE Will Smith, Turk McBride, Greg Romeus RDT Sedrick Ellis, Mitch King LDT Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson LDE Cam Jordan, Junior Galette SLB Scott Shanle, Martez Wilson, Jonathan Casillas MLB Curtis Lofton, Jon Vilma, Ramon Humber WLB David Hawthorne, Chris Chamberlain, Will Herring LCB Jabari Greer SS Roman Harper; Jonathon Amaya FS Malcolm Jenkins; Isa Abdul-Quddus RCB Patrick Robinson, Johnny Patrick P Thomas Morstead K Garrett Hartley LS Justin Drescher Analysis Defense Do we still have Free Agent DL candidates available? especially a DT, that can protect these LineBackers? I think the Saints let Sedrick play out his contract and walk - only thing is does he forget his assingments to protect his teammates and get his stats for his next contract? Aubrayo Franklin should be signed, again, to see if Spagnuolo can give it a better spin. Regarding the Ends, I believe we have the speed rushers we need on the roster with Galette & Romeus; though Smith is aging, he's still there with a salary number reflecting his play. Where is the Cam Jordan that shot up the draft boards at the Senior games a year ago? Again, what can Spagnuolo do? The most obvious improvement thus far is at Linebacker. No one wants to say it, out of respect for what he's done here in New Orleans, but Vilma seems to be done. Unless we see Shanle stave off challengers again, and Herring step into a starting role - their contracts will make them expendable if contracts aren't redone. Martez Wilson, is he ready to play his...? Casillas will be there for depth if he can't make the jump. And three quality linebackers entering their primes - Lofton, Hawthorne, and Camberlain. Now, how does it shake out? While Porter is not the leader of the defense that National Media has embarrassingly stated - he's still a significant loss; we need to add some depth at the position. There seems to be some suggestion that Vilma will not be the only Saints to get the hammer; and while some love Harper's FF/Sack Stat line, he's given up key, big plays in pass coverage that have bounced the Saints out of the playoffs two years running; while there are quality backups on the roster, Safety now is under the microscope. Will Jenkins continue to regress or was last year an anomaly? I think Jenkins would be a better Strong Safety and a high round pick should be invested in a Free Safety, should that player be the BPA and warrant the pick. Curious to see what Spagnuolo does. Kicking Did Kasay do enough, despite age, to earn more time with the Saints and could Hartley be a cap casualty? Offense What about the offensive line? It's pretty thin. Nicks size will be missed, but Grubbs is no slouch. We had a nice signing in Eric Olsen - very impressed with this guy, wanted the FO to draft him. Is Charles Brown another soft USC player? Will this guy step up? Can De La Puenta continue to improve his play? Saints have done a fine job with the cap and structuring of contracts - now we'll need to as Jimmy Graham is going to command a strong number; Saints had better have learned their lesson and extend him, now, immediately. The draft will need to produce another TE as well for depth and schemes. The Saints have the deepest, best running back corps in the league; only question, do we keep two fullbacks? The Loomis Love Fest is in full Spring Bloom, but it will be Hot Town, Summer in the City Riots if the big question doesn't get addressed - Will Drew be signed timely, appropriately? |
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I cant support the Saints if Shanle starts again this year with all the talent we have now. Just kidding ill always love my Saints, but ill be pissed! Posted this in another thread but it belongs here: CB-Jabarri Greer CB-Patrick Robinson/Patrick S-Roman Harper S-Malcolm Jenkins SLB-Mr. Wilson/Chamberlian MLB-Curtis Lofton WLB-David Hawthorne/Jonathan Vilma(will be suspended) DT-Brodrick Bunkley/Johnson/Cam Jordan DT-Sedrick Ellis/Cam Jordan DE-Will Smith/Turk Mcbride/Jeff Charlston DE-Junior Galette/Greg Romeous -Need to draft a DT -Cam Jordan is not made to be a DE -Hawthorne played mike and will - Vilma will miss the season -Chamberlain will be much like Herring (lots of hope but not much else) -This will in no way be the same D, 5 new starters in the front 7 alone combined with a new DC. I am more excited about our D then I have ever been ... WHO DAT |
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Jenkins gave up several during that game. Shall we review the Malcom Jenkins thread after the game... http://blackandgold.com/saints/40380...m-jenkins.html |
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It was a play that surrendered a touchdown; and on the previous play Jenkins was burnt at the line and Harper was late on the backside along with a bad angle and a mistackle...
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And five more reasons why we need to upgrade Strong Safety...
1:12 J Nelson is covered by ? 1:50 J Finley is covered by ? 2:00 Cobb is covered by ? 2:36 Starks runs over a 'hard hitting safety' for the score, guess who? 5:20 The thing Harper is suppose to do well (sacks) and he needs help from Gallette to bring Rodgers down... Wanna looks at that Seattle game in the previous playoffs? |
The teams that have beaten us know to geaux after Harper in coverage...
And Jenkins is starting to stink in coverage as bad as Harper... One of two things has to happen; either Spagnuolo can coach these boys up or Spags gets his own boys either draft or free agency... |
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I think he stills thinks Harper's the reason we lost the Seattle game. |
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Anyways, the Harper debate aside...
Can't see the Saints not signing another Safety in the event that Harper and/or Jenkins could be facing suspension over Bountygate... |
2012 New Orleans Saints Depth Chart
Note: Free Agent Signing/Retainer or Acquisition in Bold; Needs indicated in Italics WR Marques Colston, Adrian Arrington, Joe Morgan TE Jimmy Graham, David Thomas LT Jermon Bushrod LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen C Brian De La Puente, Matt Tennant RG Jahri Evans RT Zach Strief, Charles Brown WR Lance Moore, Devery Henderson QB Drew Brees, Chase Daniel FB Jed Collins, Korey Hall RB Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory RDE Will Smith, Turk McBride, Greg Romeus RDT Sedrick Ellis, Mitch King LDT Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson LDE Cam Jordan, Junior Galette SLB Scott Shanle, Martez Wilson, Jonathan Casillas MLB Curtis Lofton, Jon Vilma, Ramon Humber WLB David Hawthorne, Chris Chamberlain, Will Herring LCB Jabari Greer SS Roman Harper; Jonathon Amaya FS Malcolm Jenkins; Isa Abdul-Quddus RCB Patrick Robinson, Johnny Patrick P Thomas Morstead K Garrett Hartley LS Justin Drescher If these players are our projected roster after training camp, we stand at a count 51... See at least one if not two more cornerbacks... ...or one more offensive lineman and a cornerback... ...or one more tight end and a cornerback... ...not sure we keep two fullbacks - that could be where the third tight end comes from? Unless continue the Tackle eligible play... ...now top end heavy at LB; one, maybe two more LB's than needed - doesn't mean we can't continue to improve there... ...especially if Martez Wilson makes the move to defensive end... ...the FA linebackers have definitely improved the roster... ...but, who's still out there that we really need to add? |
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We could see Cam Jordan slide to Sedrick's spot and see Ellis traded, but given his contract status, I doubt we'd see him cut/released... Also, despite redoing his contract, Will Smith could fall under the salary cap reapers blade... Really looking forward to training camp and what Spagnuolo does with his redone front seven... |
2012 New Orleans Saints Depth Chart Projected
Note: Free Agent Signing/Retainer or Acquisition in Bold Free Agent/Draft Needs indicated in Italics WR Marques Colston, Adrian Arrington, Joe Morgan TE Jimmy Graham, David Thomas LT Jermon Bushrod, NEED LG [B][Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen C Brian De La Puente, Matt Tennant RG Jahri Evans RT Zach Strief, Charles Brown WR Lance Moore, Devery Henderson QB Drew Brees, Chase Daniel FB Jed Collins, Korey Hall RB Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory RDE Will Smith, Turk McBride, Greg Romeus RDT Sedrick Ellis, Mitch King LDT Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson LDE Cam Jordan, Junior Galette SLB Scott Shanle, Martez Wilson, Jonathan Casillas MLB Curtis Lofton, Jon Vilma, Ramon Humber WLB David Hawthorne, Chris Chamberlain, Will Herring LCB Jabari Greer, NEED SS Roman Harper; Jonathon Amaya FS Malcolm Jenkins; Isa Abdul-Quddus RCB Patrick Robinson, Johnny Patrick P Thomas Morstead K Garrett Hartley LS Justin Drescher Defensive Back Rod Hood seemed like a candidate for depth at CB and would be one of Spagnuolo's former players/system guys - the fact he's not brought in yet is...curious Elbert Mack is 26 years old and the Saints are staying with youth at CB; can only hope we get at least two more years out of Greer who's been our franchises most underrated free agent ever... Think we draft the best CB available and probably in the third round... Wonder if the Saints would consider bringing in a Safety in light of pending player suspensions; presumptious, but Harper is the name mentioned right after Vilma's in those discussions... Be nice if Goodell would resolve this prior to the draft... |
2012 New Orleans Saints Depth Chart Projected
Note: Free Agent Signing/Retainer or Acquisition in Bold Free Agent/Draft Needs indicated in Italics WR Marques Colston, Adrian Arrington, Joe Morgan TE Jimmy Graham, David Thomas LT Jermon Bushrod, Need LG [Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen C Brian De La Puente, Matt Tennant RG Jahri Evans, Need RT Zach Strief, Charles Brown WR Lance Moore, Devery Henderson QB Drew Brees, Chase Daniel FB Jed Collins, Korey Hall RB Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory LDE Cam Jordan, Junior Galette LDT Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson RDT Sedrick Ellis, Mitch King RDE Will Smith, Turk McBride, Greg Romeus SLB David Hawthorne, Martez Wilson, Will Herring WLB Scott Shanle, Chris Chamberlain, Jonathan Casillas MLB Curtis Lofton, Jon Vilma, Ramon Humber LCB Jabari Greer, Need SS Roman Harper; Jonathon Amaya FS Malcolm Jenkins; Isa Abdul-Quddus RCB Patrick Robinson, Johnny Patrick P Thomas Morstead K Garrett Hartley LS Justin Drescher Defensive Back Porter departure, though not the end of the world as has been overstated by ignorant media types, does leave a void/need for depth at CB... Harper's likely suspension will command attention depending on the length of the suspension... Linebacker Shanle and/or Herring are likely casualties - though neither are burdensome to the salary cap; Casillas found no love on the market for an oft-injured linebacker and will likely sign his tender... Vilma, as is suggested, may be out for as many as eight (8) games; he could use the rest and will have only half is salary against the cap because of same... Is Martez Wilson to remain a 4-3 linebacker or does he get moved to DE/PRLB? This group seems to have improved on paper - Front Office finally gets something done as they should have last season... Defensive Line It's contract year for Ellis - hope we benefit from his production, he signs a tender for another team and we reap the draft pick compensation. Romeus health and progression will be a key component to the rotation of the defensive ends... Does Junyah actuate his potential? Will Smith will likely get another four (4) game suspension and a salary cap savings... Where is the Cam Jordan from last season's Senior Bowl Week? Does he get moved to DT? Can Bunkley provide some leadership by example to the other DL? Wide Receiver Meachem's departure should allow Arrington and Morgan a wonderful opportunity to step up and contribute... Is Lance Moore going to work harder to stay healthy or is he complacent with where he is in his career? Tight End Surprised we didn't sign another free agent here; must have someone in the draft the scouting dept likes... Offensive Line Considering the pending investment in Brees, it is really surprising Offensive Line, especially Tackle hasn't been addressed... Running Back Hope all is healthy and ready to roll - definitely one of the strengths of the team and one of the best in the league... Quarterback Brees |
I think that if there are some picks for the offensive side on this year's draft, they might very well be for a T and a TE, but defense should be the main focus with the draft.
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I think Quaddus takes Jenkins spot at FS this season.And we draft a corner and DT and the rest will be on the O.
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I dont get the hate for our DBs. Playing in GWs scheme and not being able to get to the QB would make Revis look awful as well. |
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However - how good would our DB's be with a "respectable" pass rush? And I'd like to see our personnel under Spagnuolo's guidance -even Harper concrete feet, bad angles, water balloon hits and all... :bng: |
I don't doubt that Jenkins "cover" skills will improve with better line play. I'm not real sure about Harper though, he has been playing like a small LB in Williams scheme.
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I'd rather see more of a LS/RS composition where both Jenkins and A-Q would take the field at the same time than see A-Q replace Jenkins as the FS, but I do think that Harper should be a starter at SS with Jenkins at FS.
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With L-R safeties, our LB's are gonna have to cover those RB's and TE's, which may now be an option since we've upgraded all 3 LB positions. |
If Jenkins our1st round pick plays anything like he did last year, you know the deer in the headlights type of play that he does, bench him. Quaddus is much more natural at FS. Jenkins has gone from corner to FS and has had the luxury of being schooled under one of the greatest FS to play the game in Sharper, so if he doesn't improve and when I say improve I mean by leaps and bounds, what do we really have. Answer: Nothing!!
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Current Depth Chart
QB1. Drew Brees 2. Chase Daniel 3. Sean Canfield RB1. Darren Sproles 2. Pierre Thomas 3. Mark Ingram 4. Christopher Ivory TE1. Jimmy Graham 2. David Thomas 3. Michael Higgins C1. Brian De La Puente 2. Matt Tennant WR11. Marques Colston 2. Lance Moore 3. Courtney Roby 4. Joseph Morgan WR21. Devery Henderson 2. Adrian Arrington 3. Andy Tanner LT1. Jermon Bushrod 2. Phil Trautwein LG1. Ben Grubbs 2. Eric Olsen RG1. Jahri Evans 2. Nick Howell RT1. Charles Brown 2. Zach Strief 3. Fenuki Tupou FB1. Jed Collins 2. Korey Hall LDE1. Cameron Jordan RDE1. Will Smith 2. Junior Galette LCB1. Jabari Greer 2. Kamaal McIlwain 3. Cord Parks RCB1. Patrick Robinson 2. Johnny Patrick 3. Josh Victorian SS1. Roman Harper 2. Jonathon Amaya FS1. Malcolm Jenkins 2. Isa Abdul-Quddus LDT1. Brodrick Bunkley 2. Tom Johnson RDT1. Sedrick Ellis 2. Mitch King3. Swanson Miller SLB1. David Hawthorne 2. Martez Wilson 3. Will Herring 4. Nate Bussey MLB1. Curtis Lofton 2. Jonathan Vilma WLB1. Scott Shanle 2. Chris Chamberlain 3. Jonathan Casillas Special Teams PR1. Darren Sproles H1. Chase Daniel PK1. Garrett Hartley KOS1. Thomas Morstead KR1. Darren Sproles P1. Thomas Morstead LS1. Justin Drescher |
You really think Brown is ready to step up at Right Tackle? and stay healthy?
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I'm gonna have to say stick with Strief at RT. Our O-line dropped off significantly when Strief got hurt for a few games last season and Brown filled in.
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A couple people have mentioned that they feel that OT depth is needed. Which I do agree with, however, there are other holes that are more important. However, the 1 name that I just thought of was Alex Barron. I know the Saints brought him in last year as a FA, then he got injured and never played a game, but where is he now, and did he / does he have anything left in the tank?
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2012 New Orleans Saints
Note: Free Agent Signing/Retainer or Acquisition in Bold; Needs indicated in Italics WR Marques Colston, Adrian Arrington, Joe Morgan TE Jimmy Graham, David Thomas LT Jermon Bushrod LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen C Brian De La Puente, Matt Tennant RG Jahri Evans RT Zach Strief, Charles Brown WR Lance Moore, Devery Henderson QB Drew Brees, Chase Daniel FB Jed Collins, Korey Hall RB Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory RDE Will Smith, Turk McBride, Greg Romeus RDT Sedrick Ellis, Mitch King LDT Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson LDE Cam Jordan, Junior Galette SLB Scott Shanle, Martez Wilson, Jonathan Casillas MLB Curtis Lofton, Jon Vilma, Ramon Humber WLB David Hawthorne, Chris Chamberlain, Will Herring LCB Jabari Greer SS Roman Harper; Jonathon Amaya FS Malcolm Jenkins; Isa Abdul-Quddus RCB Patrick Robinson, Johnny Patrick P Thomas Morstead K John Kasay, Garrett Hartley LS Justin Drescher If these players are our projected roster after training camp, we stand at a count 51, 52 if we keep two kickers which is not likely... We are very thin at Cornerback, Offensive Line... Could use more depth at Tight End, Defensive Tackle, Safety... Two fullbacks? LB depth has turned around quickly Where does Martez Wilson make his check? Is Hartley through as our Kicker? |
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