Ivory a trade candidate?
 

Trade Candidates


4. Chris Ivory, Saints

Overview: A north-south collision runner completely devoid of passing-game value, Ivory has flourished whenever given opportunities to be the Saints' early-down back. Appearing in 18 games through two years, Ivory has averaged 5.05 yards per carry with six touchdowns. The relentless, take-no-prisoners style has led to an array of injuries, however. Ivory blew out a knee five games into his senior college season. Undrafted in 2010, he missed time as a rookie with an MCL injury, concussion, separated shoulder, and a hamstring strain. Ivory suffered a Lisfranc fracture in his left foot in Week 17. He also underwent hernia surgery during the 2011 offseason and missed one game with another hamstring injury last season. Ivory is only two years into the league, and he's already got a laundry list of medical flags. The Saints will be all ears in regard to trade offers because he's fourth string behind Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas, and Mark Ingram.

Prediction: Elsewhere before 2012 trade deadline.

Read more (a good article); The 2012 Running Back Market - Offseason Low Down - Rotoworld.com

I've said (as many other have also said) that Ivory is the odd man out. I still believe it, and I hate it, because I really like pulling for the under dog and I really like his running style. But if we trade a back, it'll be Ivory.

Yeah he has trade value, hes in a crowded backfield where PT has just got a big contract, sproles and mark Ingram have years left on there's, Ingram will get better as time progresses.

The only thing about Ivory, I don't know if this is due to playcalling but he's very one dimensional, he's a beast as a runner don't get me wrong, but whenever he's in it's 95% run 5% pass

Ingram is the future

I doubt he'll be traded, because he is very affordable to the Saints, SP will want to have that 4 RB depth considering the troubles the Saints have faced when thin at that position, and finally I don't think Ivory's trade value is that high... maybe a 4th round pick at best?

He's barely worth a 7th rounder, I'd rather keep him.

The past two years we've had injuries to at least one back; we would have been in trouble last year if not for Ivory when Ingram was lost for the season.

I'm thinking we stick with Ivory and the 4 back system for awhile...

Ivory is going nowhere. The Saints will keep their 3 back system leaving someone out. Ivory and Thomas each have distinct abilities that make them key for specific games and with Ingram being a rookie still, he needs to sit behind the two backs some.

4 back system, don't forget Sproles

I was referring to suiting up 3 like they usually do and have one back inactive. I should of specified.

Ivory being on the PUP list to start the season and then Ingram going to IR made suiting 3 easy this past season.

No telling how they will handle the rotation this season... :confused:

It will likely depend on who we face that day. Who knows. I'm sure they can come up with some formula to figure it out. Each of them are key. I just don't see Ivory going anywhere anytime soon.

From what I've seen from Ingram, he is the weakest link right now.

Ivory is very cheap, contract-wise, but I really don't think anyone is going to give up much for him
I'd rather have him than a fifth rounder that would probably cost more anyways

When is the trade deadline

Exactly. Only reason I could think of is to free up a roster spot, I don't see us needing anyone that bad.

I'm with that. We definitely don't need anyone to fill that roster spot.

The Saints have the most depth at the running back position in the NFL. It allows players to remain healthy. On top of that, it creates a bit of trouble when preparing for a game for opponents since they have to prepare for all the threats. Each play has different strengths and skill set.

It works. No reason to fix it at all. Finished 8th in rushing in the NFL this season and we're only getting better. A stronger run game opens up our passing game. Evidence was this past season.

trade deadline is the end of week 6 on the schedule every year, I think...

Has everyone forgotten that we ran out of running backs in the playoffs against Seattle?

I agree I wouldn't get rid of him for a 7th rounder

No one has forgotten it, but that was an anomaly, and we didn't lose to Seattle because of our running game.

4 starting RB's is BEYOND a luxury... does another NFL team have even 3?
We continue to spend money on offense, and then we cannot stop Hasselback or Smith, or whoever started for the Rams.
These guys are being talked about as trade bait because we have needs elsewhere, and money is very tight this year

Ivory will have a cap hit of $490K next season, so it's not like trading him will create cap room - only reason to trade him would be if the roster spot was desperately needed for someone else.

Sproles' cap hit for 2012 will be around $3.5M, PT's cap hit will be $2.3M, and Ingram's cap hit will be around $810K.

They're all very affordable for what they can (and consistently do) bring to the field every single week and, therefore, there isn't much money to be saved on that front.

Also I could imagine it being fairly expensive if the Saints had to bring in another good/great RB during the season if they were to run into some injury problems, and had earlier let one of these RBs go.

Suit 3 up......keep one on the shelf.

All true but I think we'll keep him just for the injuries we get at that position,\

No way he is only worth a 7th. 5 yd avg and a bruiser. Cap hit is next to nothing. Browns would give up a 4th in a heartbeat. With that being the case he won't be going anywhere!

He is a poor mans Trent Richardson! KEEP HIM

Agreed

For an injury prone part time one-dimensional running back who had about 12 good games in his entire two year career?

I don't think they're that dumb.

Ask Drew what he wants... then do it.

You guys are CRAZY for wanting to trade Ivory. Ingram will not match his averages or he would have done so.

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so that means Ingram and Thomas are not worth a 4th. Both of them appear to be injury prone too. And if im not mistaken Ivroy has a much better avg then those 2

Ivory was injured his entire college career, and was injured in every game he played in the NFL in 2010, then had lizfranc surgery after the season ended (which has ended many careers), then got hurt while rehabbing that injury and was on PUP for the 1st 6 games of 2011.

Ingram and Thomas are Brett Favre-like ironmen compared to Ivory.

Yep, Ingram missed half of his rookie season but he is a iron man. You may be the only Saints fan alive that thinks Ingram outpayed Ivory

Ingram had 474 yards on 122 carries his rookie year.

Ivroy had 716 yards on 137 carries his rookie year.

Its called simple math

Simple is the correct word for that math.

The situation was quite different when Ivory had his rookie carries as opposed to Ingram's carries this past season - many of which were in short yardage situations mind you.

Just looking at those numbers alone will never give you a fair assessment of their individual rookie seasons.

Also, I don't know if Danno was as much stating that Ingram outplayed Ivory, but that with Ivory's injury history he has very limited trade value.

Who are you quoting? I didn't see anyone say either of those things.

Are you making stuff up or did I miss something?

You said compared to Ivory they are Iron men. Ivory has out played Ingram period.

Thats not what I said.

That is exactly what you said.

No it isn't. I was comparing their injury history throughout their entire careers. I was comparing THAT to Ingram and Thomas.


Here is "exactly" what I said...

And I said nothing about who has outplayed who.

I wouldn't get rid of Ivory until Ingram prove that he is worthy a first round pick.

yeh, i said the second sentence. Which is trus