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Supertek · 02-27-2012, 11:39 AM

I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above.

FinSaint · 02-27-2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Supertek

I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above.

And I guess your willing to take that $17M cap hit in trading Harper and still be left without a starting SS?

jcp026 · 02-27-2012, 12:15 PM

I had an idea for Harper...Linebacker-backer. I guess it's a nickel, but we have three safeties and Harper stays on the fringes of the box. Better in coverage than an LB and better against the run and rushing the passer than a CB.

Danno · 02-27-2012, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

I had an idea for Harper...Linebacker-backer. I guess it's a nickel, but we have three safeties and Harper stays on the fringes of the box. Better in coverage than an LB and better against the run and rushing the passer than a CB.

Thats basically the description of a Strong Safety isn't it? He patrols the intermediate area of the field right behind the LB's.

jcp026 · 02-27-2012, 01:49 PM

I'LL PATROL YOUR INTERMEDIATE AREA! ...I'm sorry.

FinSaint · 02-27-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

I'LL PATROL YOUR INTERMEDIATE AREA! ...I'm sorry.

Danno · 02-28-2012, 04:48 PM

Harpers main problem is when he plays bad, its butt-ugly bad.

You can count on 3 or maybe 4 stinkers from him every season, but the other 12 to 13 games he plays very well.

I have a feeling thats not much different than most NFL players.

Also, with a weak pass rush, and the emergence of TE's with WR speed, most SS's will be a primary target. They don't have CB speed to keep up with 4.4 TE's. Gregg's system helped Harper shine in many ways, but the lack of a pass rush didn't do Harper any favors at all in GW's system.

Overall I'd rate Harper about a B-plus player.

jeanpierre · 02-29-2012, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Harpers main problem is when he plays bad, its butt-ugly bad.

You can count on 3 or maybe 4 stinkers from him every season, but the other 12 to 13 games he plays very well.

I have a feeling thats not much different than most NFL players.

Also, with a weak pass rush, and the emergence of TE's with WR speed, most SS's will be a primary target. They don't have CB speed to keep up with 4.4 TE's. Gregg's system helped Harper shine in many ways, but the lack of a pass rush didn't do Harper any favors at all in GW's system.

Overall I'd rate Harper about a B-plus player.

This is a very accurate assessment...

And while it is the commitment to continuity started by Coach Payton that has made the Saints the success they are today - I was thoroughly shocked to see the salary commitment made to Harper by the traditionally frugal Loomis-led Saints Front Office...

Harper has been exposed in memorable "stinkers" for his poor pass coverage/read abilities and while the player must ultimately make plays on the field, Coach Payton shares blame for putting too much faith in Gregg Williams' Buffoon Defense that has cost the Saints two playoff losses...

I was impressed that Coach Payton made a change in his staff a few years ago as I was used to Coaches (i.e. Mora) who'd stubbornly ignore the obvious to spite fans...

Coach Payton is loyal - but he is not going dampen the success of the team to spite out of pride even if fans may be right in seeing the obvious...

We hope that with the addition of Coaches Spagnuolo and Flajole that the defense can finally rise to a competitive level so as not to be an embarrassment or afterthought of the Saints...

Jankman8 · 02-29-2012, 04:12 AM

Second that Danno, how do you think he will work in Spags´system?

02-27-2012, 11:44 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by Supertek I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above. And I guess your willing to take that $17M cap hit in trading Harper and still be left without a starting SS? jcp026 likes this.

02-27-2012, 12:15 PM	#3
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955	I had an idea for Harper...Linebacker-backer. I guess it's a nickel, but we have three safeties and Harper stays on the fringes of the box. Better in coverage than an LB and better against the run and rushing the passer than a CB.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955

02-27-2012, 12:46 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by jcp026 I had an idea for Harper...Linebacker-backer. I guess it's a nickel, but we have three safeties and Harper stays on the fringes of the box. Better in coverage than an LB and better against the run and rushing the passer than a CB. Thats basically the description of a Strong Safety isn't it? He patrols the intermediate area of the field right behind the LB's. FinSaint likes this.

02-27-2012, 01:49 PM	#5
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955	I'LL PATROL YOUR INTERMEDIATE AREA! ...I'm sorry.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955

02-27-2012, 01:51 PM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by jcp026 I'LL PATROL YOUR INTERMEDIATE AREA! ...I'm sorry.

02-27-2012, 11:39 AM	#1
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above.

02-28-2012, 04:48 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Harpers main problem is when he plays bad, its butt-ugly bad. You can count on 3 or maybe 4 stinkers from him every season, but the other 12 to 13 games he plays very well. I have a feeling thats not much different than most NFL players. Also, with a weak pass rush, and the emergence of TE's with WR speed, most SS's will be a primary target. They don't have CB speed to keep up with 4.4 TE's. Gregg's system helped Harper shine in many ways, but the lack of a pass rush didn't do Harper any favors at all in GW's system. Overall I'd rate Harper about a B-plus player. jeanpierre likes this.

02-29-2012, 07:02 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Danno Harpers main problem is when he plays bad, its butt-ugly bad. You can count on 3 or maybe 4 stinkers from him every season, but the other 12 to 13 games he plays very well. I have a feeling thats not much different than most NFL players. Also, with a weak pass rush, and the emergence of TE's with WR speed, most SS's will be a primary target. They don't have CB speed to keep up with 4.4 TE's. Gregg's system helped Harper shine in many ways, but the lack of a pass rush didn't do Harper any favors at all in GW's system. Overall I'd rate Harper about a B-plus player. This is a very accurate assessment... And while it is the commitment to continuity started by Coach Payton that has made the Saints the success they are today - I was thoroughly shocked to see the salary commitment made to Harper by the traditionally frugal Loomis-led Saints Front Office... Harper has been exposed in memorable "stinkers" for his poor pass coverage/read abilities and while the player must ultimately make plays on the field, Coach Payton shares blame for putting too much faith in Gregg Williams' Buffoon Defense that has cost the Saints two playoff losses... I was impressed that Coach Payton made a change in his staff a few years ago as I was used to Coaches (i.e. Mora) who'd stubbornly ignore the obvious to spite fans... Coach Payton is loyal - but he is not going dampen the success of the team to spite out of pride even if fans may be right in seeing the obvious... We hope that with the addition of Coaches Spagnuolo and Flajole that the defense can finally rise to a competitive level so as not to be an embarrassment or afterthought of the Saints...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

02-29-2012, 04:12 AM	#9
Jankman8 Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Austria, Europe Posts: 374	Second that Danno, how do you think he will work in Spags´system?

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