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FootballCEO · 02-24-2012, 08:17 AM

Why do people believe that Harper is a Pro Bowl SS? He's played LB in Nickel situations last season and most of his big plays come when he's closest to the LOS. You can be an undersized WLB. He can also get up to 225 and he'd do just fine. As long as he is still in the back half of the defense, the Saints will ALWAYS have the same problem.

Danno · 02-24-2012, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by FootballCEO

Why do people believe that Harper is a Pro Bowl SS? He's played LB in Nickel situations last season and most of his big plays come when he's closest to the LOS. You can be an undersized WLB. He can also get up to 225 and he'd do just fine. As long as he is still in the back half of the defense, the Saints will ALWAYS have the same problem.

I think most believe he's a pro-bowl SS because he was voted so by players and coaches to the Pro Bowl. We know it was as an alternate but to be selected twice is a pretty decent indicator that he doesn't suck.

Most SS's play close to the line of scrimmage, thats nothing new. Its the job of a Strong Safety.

Adding 25 lbs to a frame thats already maxed out isn't gonna work. It would be a completely unnatural 225 lbs if he could even do it.

He is what he is. He's a classic strong safety that patrols the intermediate section of the field, and does a great job of it. What he can't do is cover TE's with elite speed for very long so if there's no pass rush he'll be one of the 1st DB's to be thrown at (as would any true SS in the NFL).

Moving him to a position he has never played his entire life isn't wise. It would be like moving Robert Meachem to TE.

Rugby Saint II · 02-25-2012, 12:38 PM

PFF graded him out as average at best. That's not my opinion though. I like him. It's the rest of the defense that needs to be addressed.

halloween 65 · 02-25-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

6'-200 pound linebackers may work in college, but would get destroyed in the NFL.

And I don't know why you'd want to move a pro-bowl SS to another position that he's never played his entire life. Why not just sign a WLB and be done with it?

I agree. I do have a question about Jenkins at SS instead of FS and Quaddus taking the FS spot. How do you think that would go? For me I think Jenkins could cover TE's well, I just don't trust his tackling, Quaddus to me is one of the most natural free safetys I have seen in a long, long time. Just my thoughts!!

Danno · 02-25-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I agree. I do have a question about Jenkins at SS instead of FS and Quaddus taking the FS spot. How do you think that would go? For me I think Jenkins could cover TE's well, I just don't trust his tackling, Quaddus to me is one of the most natural free safetys I have seen in a long, long time. Just my thoughts!!

I like what I've seen from that Isa Abdul-Quddus kid as well.

If we went to a left-right safety scheme then Quddus (Ka-Deuce!!!) and Jenkins are probably our best tandem.

If we keep a Strong/Free safety tandem then Harper/Jenkins looks like our best tandem, with IA-Q bearing down on Jenkins.

halloween 65 · 02-25-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I like what I've seen from that Isa Abdul-Quddus kid as well.

If we went to a left-right safety scheme then Quddus (Ka-Deuce!!!) and Jenkins are probably our best tandem.

If we keep a Strong/Free safety tandem then Harper/Jenkins looks like our best tandem, with IA-Q bearing down on Jenkins.

I think Quaddus is right there with Jenkins and Jenkins knows it, it should be a lot of comp. in camp. An undrafted FA going against a #1 pick.

hagan714 · 02-26-2012, 08:31 PM

question to ask yourself is this :

Where was this kid during the season?

answer: not a self motivator, only looked good at the senior bowl when there is a payday to be had.

pass

hagan714 · 02-26-2012, 08:32 PM

as to the highjack question of harper. lmao give me a break aint going to work. harper will get smoked in the flats

Supertek · 02-27-2012, 12:39 PM

I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above.

FinSaint · 02-27-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Supertek

I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above.

And I guess your willing to take that $17M cap hit in trading Harper and still be left without a starting SS?

02-24-2012, 08:44 AM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by FootballCEO Why do people believe that Harper is a Pro Bowl SS? He's played LB in Nickel situations last season and most of his big plays come when he's closest to the LOS. You can be an undersized WLB. He can also get up to 225 and he'd do just fine. As long as he is still in the back half of the defense, the Saints will ALWAYS have the same problem. I think most believe he's a pro-bowl SS because he was voted so by players and coaches to the Pro Bowl. We know it was as an alternate but to be selected twice is a pretty decent indicator that he doesn't suck. Most SS's play close to the line of scrimmage, thats nothing new. Its the job of a Strong Safety. Adding 25 lbs to a frame thats already maxed out isn't gonna work. It would be a completely unnatural 225 lbs if he could even do it. He is what he is. He's a classic strong safety that patrols the intermediate section of the field, and does a great job of it. What he can't do is cover TE's with elite speed for very long so if there's no pass rush he'll be one of the 1st DB's to be thrown at (as would any true SS in the NFL). Moving him to a position he has never played his entire life isn't wise. It would be like moving Robert Meachem to TE. FinSaint likes this.

02-25-2012, 12:38 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	PFF graded him out as average at best. That's not my opinion though. I like him. It's the rest of the defense that needs to be addressed. FinSaint likes this.

02-25-2012, 01:29 PM	#14
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by Danno 6'-200 pound linebackers may work in college, but would get destroyed in the NFL. And I don't know why you'd want to move a pro-bowl SS to another position that he's never played his entire life. Why not just sign a WLB and be done with it? I agree. I do have a question about Jenkins at SS instead of FS and Quaddus taking the FS spot. How do you think that would go? For me I think Jenkins could cover TE's well, I just don't trust his tackling, Quaddus to me is one of the most natural free safetys I have seen in a long, long time. Just my thoughts!!

02-25-2012, 03:32 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by halloween 65 I agree. I do have a question about Jenkins at SS instead of FS and Quaddus taking the FS spot. How do you think that would go? For me I think Jenkins could cover TE's well, I just don't trust his tackling, Quaddus to me is one of the most natural free safetys I have seen in a long, long time. Just my thoughts!! I like what I've seen from that Isa Abdul-Quddus kid as well. If we went to a left-right safety scheme then Quddus (Ka-Deuce!!!) and Jenkins are probably our best tandem. If we keep a Strong/Free safety tandem then Harper/Jenkins looks like our best tandem, with IA-Q bearing down on Jenkins.

02-25-2012, 06:25 PM	#16
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by Danno I like what I've seen from that Isa Abdul-Quddus kid as well. If we went to a left-right safety scheme then Quddus (Ka-Deuce!!!) and Jenkins are probably our best tandem. If we keep a Strong/Free safety tandem then Harper/Jenkins looks like our best tandem, with IA-Q bearing down on Jenkins. I think Quaddus is right there with Jenkins and Jenkins knows it, it should be a lot of comp. in camp. An undrafted FA going against a #1 pick.

02-24-2012, 08:17 AM	#11
FootballCEO Budding Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York City Posts: 254	Why do people believe that Harper is a Pro Bowl SS? He's played LB in Nickel situations last season and most of his big plays come when he's closest to the LOS. You can be an undersized WLB. He can also get up to 225 and he'd do just fine. As long as he is still in the back half of the defense, the Saints will ALWAYS have the same problem.

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02-26-2012, 08:31 PM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	question to ask yourself is this : Where was this kid during the season? answer: not a self motivator, only looked good at the senior bowl when there is a payday to be had. pass jeanpierre likes this.

02-26-2012, 08:32 PM	#18
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	as to the highjack question of harper. lmao give me a break aint going to work. harper will get smoked in the flats jeanpierre likes this.

02-27-2012, 12:39 PM	#19
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above.

02-27-2012, 12:44 PM	#20
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Supertek I am with football CEO on this one. Harper needs to move or move out completely maybe if some other team values harper as much as some of you guys do we could get something out of a trade. Other wise if i were a coach I would not want he back there getting burned as exposed as he does. About all he is good for is blitzing the quarterback or run support that he does well but a cover guy or playmaker none of the above. And I guess your willing to take that $17M cap hit in trading Harper and still be left without a starting SS? jcp026 likes this.

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