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Old 02-23-2012, 02:28 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by FootballCEO View Post
Saints could actually fill a LB need by moving Roman Harper to WLB.
Harper is too small for a LB; I think...
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Harper is too small for a LB; I think...

Yeah, that wouldn't work.


...and Harper's only 29, so I would hardly call that old. And I know Papz that you were only repeating what has been said about him by lots of ignorant people, who seem to know very little about football.

The truth is that Harper is a pro bowl caliber SS and the Saints could've done a lot worse in that department. No player is perfect and Harper certainly has his weaknesses, but, nonetheless, he is a good safety. And more importantly with the contract he got last off-season - he won't be going anywhere for a while, so people should stop with the hating on him.
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:58 AM   #3
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Yeah, that wouldn't work.


...and Harper's only 29, so I would hardly call that old. And I know Papz that you were only repeating what has been said about him by lots of ignorant people, who seem to know very little about football.

The truth is that Harper is a pro bowl caliber SS and the Saints could've done a lot worse in that department. No player is perfect and Harper certainly has his weaknesses, but, nonetheless, he is a good safety. And more importantly with the contract he got last off-season - he won't be going anywhere for a while, so people should stop with the hating on him.
And your qualifications of knowing more about football than everybody else are??? If you want to believe Harper is a pro bowl SS, thats your opinion. One that I personally and a lot of other people more knowledgable than you or I do not agree with.
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And your qualifications of knowing more about football than everybody else are??? If you want to believe Harper is a pro bowl SS, thats your opinion. One that I personally and a lot of other people more knowledgable than you or I do not agree with.

Oh, you really told me off...

I wasn't claiming that I'm some type of an authority when it comes to all things football, far from it. But what I do seem to be able to do better than some is to separate my feelings from the evaluation process and instead, I tend to rely on objective observation coupled with statistical evidence.

It is not about me wanting to believe that Harper is a pro-bowl SS - I don't have to rely on my imagination in this matter - because he has been selected to the pro-bowl twice (2009 & 2010). Consequently, that is all the evidence I need in order for it to be logical for me to call him a pro-bowl SS, because he has been one in the past and statistically the 2011 season was as good or even better than the 2009 season for Harper.

What I was referring to in my previous statement, which you took offence at, is that it seems to me that many don't seem to grasp the difference between a strong safety and a free safety. If you evaluate Harper's pass coverage abilities based on the belief that it is his responsibility to defend against long passes - then you're already starting from a point from which nothing worth while can be deduced.

Strong safety's primary job is to help out with the run defense, which is why he plays a lot closer to the line of scrimmage than a free safety, and his other primary job is to defend against passes to the tight end, which is why the SS lines up on the strong side hence the connotation - strong safety. At least this is my general understanding of that particular position and the primary duties associated with it.

I think it was Danno or someone else with access to the paid stat services, who stated that Harper in fact graded pretty well in TE pass coverage. And I think we all can agree that his run defense/pass rushing abilities are top notch when it comes to strong safeties. So all of this pretty much tells me that Harper is a good SS and even a pro-bowl level SS, which is why I criticized the common consensus that he isn't a good SS and that the Saints should do all they can to get rid of him.

I think that this shared (false) belief has its roots in some of the big plays of which Harper has been a part of and which have consequently made him look bad in people's eyes. I'm talking about the Seattle play-off game, the Bradford run, and some others, which have somehow erased to majority of the body of work that Harper has done - and done very well I might add.

So, I would like you to convince me with your seemingly vast knowledge of football why Harper isn't a pro-bowl SS and altogether a good SS? If there's something that I'm missing, I would honestly like to hear it and if your argument is compelling enough, I might even change my evaluation of Harper, but until then I hold on to it with valid justification.
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