Shaun Rogers ranked 7th

Supertek · 02-27-2012, 10:56 AM

Agree with Hagan here. We allowed as an average 108.6 Yards rushing per game to our opponents. Would have been a lot more if not for the blowouts that forced teams to pass more. Franklin under performed at least compared to what he did in S.F. think he could be good in the interior but he had little help from the rest of the line. Dont see how any of these guys could really be called run stuffers at this point. Throw that in with over 275 average passing yards allowed per game and we were close to allowing 400average yards per game in these two catagories. This does not count the yards from the kicking game, interception returns or from fumbles. Not a pretty picture so I hope we can somehow improve this comming season.

FinSaint · 02-27-2012, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Supertek

Agree with Hagan here. We allowed as an average 108.6 Yards rushing per game to our opponents. Would have been a lot more if not for the blowouts that forced teams to pass more. Franklin under performed at least compared to what he did in S.F. think he could be good in the interior but he had little help from the rest of the line. Dont see how any of these guys could really be called run stuffers at this point. [...]

Well, it all depends on how you look at it.

In 2009 the Saints were #21st against the run with an average yards per game being 122.2 and allowing 19 rushing TDs.

In 2010 the Saints were #16th against the run with 112.3 y/g and they allowed 13 rushing TDs.

In 2011 the Saints were #12th against the run with 108.6 y/g and they allowed 11 rushing TDs.

So, their run defense was better this season than it was in the past two seasons before it. ...at least if we are strictly looking at the numbers.

Also, you can't really compare Franklin's numbers from the past few SF years to this last season with the Saints and hope to find a representative comparison of overall performance.

Like you already alluded to, Franklin had a much better cast of other players around him in SF, his role was much bigger being a perennial starter and logging in most of the defensive snaps (while with the Saints he only was a starter in 9 games and shared snaps with others), and most importantly SF played a 3-4 defense which gave him a different role as the NT than being a DT in a 4-3 defense lining directly opposite to guards.

halloween 65 · 02-27-2012, 11:08 AM

If Spags keeps Rodgers, Franklin, and Sed he sure has his work cut out for him trying to get a pass rush out of those guys. Might be the shortest a DC has ever been in New Orleans. We need up-grades!!

ScottF · 02-27-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

We need up-grades!!

exactly.
paying a crappy player less does not make them a better player

FinSaint · 02-27-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

exactly.
paying a crappy player less does not make them a better player

I really don't think that the Saints have a single player on their roster I would estimate as "crappy."

....not even Shanle!

Danno · 02-27-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I really don't think that the Saints have a single player on their roster I would estimate as "crappy."

....not even Shanle!

True, Shanle at vet minimum and as veteran back-up to both outside spots would be fine with me.

blackangold · 02-27-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

True, Shanle at vet minimum and as veteran back-up to both outside spots would be fine with me.

Yes, mentally Shanle may be one of the best LBs in the game. However his body just cant cash in.

I hope he stays to coach up some of the young LB talent we have, but I prey that he does not start.

xan · 02-27-2012, 02:36 PM

I'm going with papz' assessment. Scheme and lack of prep had more to do with the defensive problems than personnel in the DL.

02-27-2012, 11:25 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by Supertek Agree with Hagan here. We allowed as an average 108.6 Yards rushing per game to our opponents. Would have been a lot more if not for the blowouts that forced teams to pass more. Franklin under performed at least compared to what he did in S.F. think he could be good in the interior but he had little help from the rest of the line. Dont see how any of these guys could really be called run stuffers at this point. [...] Well, it all depends on how you look at it. In 2009 the Saints were #21st against the run with an average yards per game being 122.2 and allowing 19 rushing TDs. In 2010 the Saints were #16th against the run with 112.3 y/g and they allowed 13 rushing TDs. In 2011 the Saints were #12th against the run with 108.6 y/g and they allowed 11 rushing TDs. So, their run defense was better this season than it was in the past two seasons before it. ...at least if we are strictly looking at the numbers. Also, you can't really compare Franklin's numbers from the past few SF years to this last season with the Saints and hope to find a representative comparison of overall performance. Like you already alluded to, Franklin had a much better cast of other players around him in SF, his role was much bigger being a perennial starter and logging in most of the defensive snaps (while with the Saints he only was a starter in 9 games and shared snaps with others), and most importantly SF played a 3-4 defense which gave him a different role as the NT than being a DT in a 4-3 defense lining directly opposite to guards.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

02-27-2012, 04:37 PM	#4
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by halloween 65 We need up-grades!! exactly. paying a crappy player less does not make them a better player

02-27-2012, 04:39 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by ScottF exactly. paying a crappy player less does not make them a better player I really don't think that the Saints have a single player on their roster I would estimate as "crappy." ....not even Shanle!

02-27-2012, 04:42 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by FinSaint I really don't think that the Saints have a single player on their roster I would estimate as "crappy." ....not even Shanle! True, Shanle at vet minimum and as veteran back-up to both outside spots would be fine with me. blackangold likes this.

02-27-2012, 05:10 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Originally Posted by Danno True, Shanle at vet minimum and as veteran back-up to both outside spots would be fine with me. Yes, mentally Shanle may be one of the best LBs in the game. However his body just cant cash in. I hope he stays to coach up some of the young LB talent we have, but I prey that he does not start.

02-27-2012, 10:56 AM	#1
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Agree with Hagan here. We allowed as an average 108.6 Yards rushing per game to our opponents. Would have been a lot more if not for the blowouts that forced teams to pass more. Franklin under performed at least compared to what he did in S.F. think he could be good in the interior but he had little help from the rest of the line. Dont see how any of these guys could really be called run stuffers at this point. Throw that in with over 275 average passing yards allowed per game and we were close to allowing 400average yards per game in these two catagories. This does not count the yards from the kicking game, interception returns or from fumbles. Not a pretty picture so I hope we can somehow improve this comming season.

02-27-2012, 11:08 AM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	If Spags keeps Rodgers, Franklin, and Sed he sure has his work cut out for him trying to get a pass rush out of those guys. Might be the shortest a DC has ever been in New Orleans. We need up-grades!!

02-27-2012, 02:36 PM	#8
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	I'm going with papz' assessment. Scheme and lack of prep had more to do with the defensive problems than personnel in the DL.

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