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vtiger72 · 03-03-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jankman8

So what you are saying is that, this might not be a bad move?

A lot of people believe that Loomis's position in negotiating was that the tag set the value for the first and second season at roughly 16 and 18 million and that's what was holding things up. So yes, the leverage Brees has is that he is likely worth on the open market what he was asking, but that the Saints position was that he wasn't going to be on the open market and with these deals he lacks the security of a long term deal.

On the flip side, Brees does not have to sign the tender right away and could use the fact he isn't technically under contract to skip ota's and the start of training camp without incurring fines. Not sure if he will do that or not.

The biggest drawback on using the tag for Brees is that it can't be used on Nicks or Colston and the 16 million of the tag is immediately deducted from cap space until a long term deal is worked out to reduce that figure.

Danno · 03-03-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

The biggest drawback on using the tag for Brees is that it can't be used on Nicks or Colston and the 16 million of the tag is immediately deducted from cap space until a long term deal is worked out to reduce that figure.

I wonder if this isn't Loomis pressuring Condon/Brees to sign, or it will hurt the team overall?

If Brees truly is interested in keeping our key players (which I now doubt), then this pressures him to sign before Monday.

This may be a brilliant move by Loomis. I'm simply not smart enough to put all the pieces together.

vtiger72 · 03-03-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wonder if this isn't Loomis pressuring Condon/Brees to sign, or it will hurt the team overall?

If Brees truly is interested in keeping our key players (which I now doubt), then this pressures him to sign before Monday.

This may be a brilliant move by Loomis. I'm simply not smart enough to put all the pieces together.

It may be a pressure move but not for the reason you mentioned. It's more sign our deal or play under a one year contract for less than the avg value of what we offered. And with that comes the risk of injury....etc.

Danno · 03-03-2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

It may be a pressure move but not for the reason you mentioned. It's more sign our deal or play under a one year contract for less than the avg value of what we offered. And with that comes the risk of injury....etc.

Who are you? Just curious.

vtiger72 · 03-03-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who are you? Just curious.

Just a fan. why?

Danno · 03-03-2012, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Just a fan. why?

I told you why.

Rugby Saint II · 03-03-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wonder if this isn't Loomis pressuring Condon/Brees to sign, or it will hurt the team overall?

If Brees truly is interested in keeping our key players (which I now doubt), then this pressures him to sign before Monday.

This may be a brilliant move by Loomis. I'm simply not smart enough to put all the pieces together.

I'm with you Danno. I've begun to have my doubts too about Drew being a team player. It's really disappointing, however I may look back on this as an overreaction. Still there is a slim possibility that we lose two of the three top players.

03-03-2012, 04:09 PM	#1
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Originally Posted by Jankman8 So what you are saying is that, this might not be a bad move? A lot of people believe that Loomis's position in negotiating was that the tag set the value for the first and second season at roughly 16 and 18 million and that's what was holding things up. So yes, the leverage Brees has is that he is likely worth on the open market what he was asking, but that the Saints position was that he wasn't going to be on the open market and with these deals he lacks the security of a long term deal. On the flip side, Brees does not have to sign the tender right away and could use the fact he isn't technically under contract to skip ota's and the start of training camp without incurring fines. Not sure if he will do that or not. The biggest drawback on using the tag for Brees is that it can't be used on Nicks or Colston and the 16 million of the tag is immediately deducted from cap space until a long term deal is worked out to reduce that figure. Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.
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03-03-2012, 04:12 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by vtiger72 The biggest drawback on using the tag for Brees is that it can't be used on Nicks or Colston and the 16 million of the tag is immediately deducted from cap space until a long term deal is worked out to reduce that figure. I wonder if this isn't Loomis pressuring Condon/Brees to sign, or it will hurt the team overall? If Brees truly is interested in keeping our key players (which I now doubt), then this pressures him to sign before Monday. This may be a brilliant move by Loomis. I'm simply not smart enough to put all the pieces together.

03-03-2012, 04:14 PM	#3
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Originally Posted by Danno I wonder if this isn't Loomis pressuring Condon/Brees to sign, or it will hurt the team overall? If Brees truly is interested in keeping our key players (which I now doubt), then this pressures him to sign before Monday. This may be a brilliant move by Loomis. I'm simply not smart enough to put all the pieces together. It may be a pressure move but not for the reason you mentioned. It's more sign our deal or play under a one year contract for less than the avg value of what we offered. And with that comes the risk of injury....etc.
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185

03-03-2012, 04:16 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by vtiger72 It may be a pressure move but not for the reason you mentioned. It's more sign our deal or play under a one year contract for less than the avg value of what we offered. And with that comes the risk of injury....etc. Who are you? Just curious.

03-03-2012, 04:20 PM	#5
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Originally Posted by Danno Who are you? Just curious. Just a fan. why?
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185

03-03-2012, 04:21 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by vtiger72 Just a fan. why? I told you why.

03-03-2012, 04:38 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,182	Originally Posted by Danno I wonder if this isn't Loomis pressuring Condon/Brees to sign, or it will hurt the team overall? If Brees truly is interested in keeping our key players (which I now doubt), then this pressures him to sign before Monday. This may be a brilliant move by Loomis. I'm simply not smart enough to put all the pieces together. I'm with you Danno. I've begun to have my doubts too about Drew being a team player. It's really disappointing, however I may look back on this as an overreaction. Still there is a slim possibility that we lose two of the three top players.

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