did Brees know about the bounties?

Danno · 03-04-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is the liberal media blowing this all out of proportion.

Nawww, the liberal media would NEVER blow anything out of proportion would they?

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2012, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Nawww, the liberal media would NEVER blow anything out of proportion would they?

I withhold further comment having once been a member of said media.

Halo · 03-04-2012, 04:02 PM

I've changed my mind. Knowing that what they were doing was ILLEGAL, I'm sure the defensive staff and players weren't just going around and BRAGGING about it whenever possible.

So, honestly, it's possible nobody knew except for GW and the defensive players involved.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I've changed my mind. Knowing that what they were doing was ILLEGAL, I'm sure the defensive staff and players weren't just going around and BRAGGING about it whenever possible.

So, honestly, it's possible nobody knew except for GW and the defensive players involved.

This is true. Defensive players meet on their own.

Halo · 03-04-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is true. Defensive players meet on their own.

It's also possible only the defensive players who were actually involved in the scheme actually knew about it.

As for Loomis, I'm so sure he was going to waste all his time on an internal investigation. Probably spoke to GW and he denied it.

The more I think of it, I'm putting the blame on Gregg Williams as he was pretty much given total control of the defense.

AND ... if the Bounty was going on in 2011, then how effective is it?
There must have been a LOT of money left in that pool of money after 2011... the defense really didn't knock too many players out all season long.

FinSaint · 03-04-2012, 04:39 PM

I'd also like to place the blame on GW and the defensive unit alone, while keeping the rest of the franchise on the clear, but I just can't believe that nobody else knew about it within the franchise.

As it has been reported numerous times during recent days, this type of a thing happens in almost every team and it has been a time honored tradition in the NFL probably as long as the league has existed.

So, wouldn't it be only logical that SP, ML, Mr. Benson all at least suspected that something like this could be happening within the organization?

While this doesn't mean that they were directly responsible for the activity, they also didn't do anything to make sure that something like it couldn't/didn't exist within the franchise.

That is where we come to the negligence part of the accusations, which is something the league and Goodell are going to investigate closely when figuring out who and into what degree they are going to formally indict somebody.

As the US law system is heavily based on precedents, it leads me to believe that they are going to indict both individuals and the franchise - as it was with the Spygate - which is why I believe that there is no way the Saints are able to just direct all of the responsibility on GW.

Also, the fact that GW came out publicly and apologized for his "participation" in this activity might make the league be more lenient towards him and go after the franchise instead - it'll make a bigger statement.

alleycat_126 · 03-04-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Why is noone talking about Gregg Williams punishment in all this. Imo he should have to take the brunt of the backlash. Hopefully one reason we didnt try to retain him was because of this

Shawn really made nice with the media on Greg's behalf, I'm more sure now than ever that his services wouldn't have been retained as DC in the N.O.

He will probably be released or fired Goddell is gonna come down as hard as the media claims he is.

alleycat_126 · 03-04-2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

AND ... if the Bounty was going on in 2011, then how effective is it?
There must have been a LOT of money left in that pool of money after 2011... the defense really didn't knock too many players out all season long.

Three years, yes there were some painful hits to consider rendered by us.

Sharper anialates Kevin Faulk 09.
Warner vs McCray 09 ( deemed legal at the time ) by the way probably un called for given the final score.
Farve all day ( This is probably the one with the most scrutiny )

But three years I don't remember seeing any stretchers, or is it just me.
( Tracy Porter, and Courtney Roby ) any body else.

FinSaint · 03-04-2012, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Three years, yes there were some painful hits to consider rendered by us.

Sharper anialates Kevin Faulk 09.
Warner vs McCray 09 ( deemed legal at the time ) by the way probably un called for given the final score.
Farve all day ( This is probably the one with the most scrutiny )

But three years I don't remember seeing any stretchers, or is it just me.
( Tracy Porter, and Courtney Roby ) any body else.

I wonder if it was considered a "stretcher hit" if the hit caused the Saint player to injure himself in the process?

Maybe that is why they had to write down the rules - in order to avoid these gray areas?

Danno · 03-04-2012, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Three years, yes there were some painful hits to consider rendered by us.

Sharper anialates Kevin Faulk 09.
Warner vs McCray 09 ( deemed legal at the time ) by the way probably un called for given the final score.
Farve all day ( This is probably the one with the most scrutiny )

But three years I don't remember seeing any stretchers, or is it just me.
( Tracy Porter, and Courtney Roby ) any body else.

And those hits still happen even without the presence of a penny-ante bounty.

03-04-2012, 03:49 PM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is the liberal media blowing this all out of proportion. Nawww, the liberal media would NEVER blow anything out of proportion would they? SmashMouth likes this.

03-04-2012, 03:53 PM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222	Originally Posted by Danno Nawww, the liberal media would NEVER blow anything out of proportion would they? I withhold further comment having once been a member of said media.

03-04-2012, 04:07 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222	Originally Posted by Halo I've changed my mind. Knowing that what they were doing was ILLEGAL, I'm sure the defensive staff and players weren't just going around and BRAGGING about it whenever possible. So, honestly, it's possible nobody knew except for GW and the defensive players involved. This is true. Defensive players meet on their own.

03-04-2012, 04:13 PM	#15
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is true. Defensive players meet on their own. It's also possible only the defensive players who were actually involved in the scheme actually knew about it. As for Loomis, I'm so sure he was going to waste all his time on an internal investigation. Probably spoke to GW and he denied it. The more I think of it, I'm putting the blame on Gregg Williams as he was pretty much given total control of the defense. AND ... if the Bounty was going on in 2011, then how effective is it? There must have been a LOT of money left in that pool of money after 2011... the defense really didn't knock too many players out all season long.
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03-04-2012, 04:39 PM	#16
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	I'd also like to place the blame on GW and the defensive unit alone, while keeping the rest of the franchise on the clear, but I just can't believe that nobody else knew about it within the franchise. As it has been reported numerous times during recent days, this type of a thing happens in almost every team and it has been a time honored tradition in the NFL probably as long as the league has existed. So, wouldn't it be only logical that SP, ML, Mr. Benson all at least suspected that something like this could be happening within the organization? While this doesn't mean that they were directly responsible for the activity, they also didn't do anything to make sure that something like it couldn't/didn't exist within the franchise. That is where we come to the negligence part of the accusations, which is something the league and Goodell are going to investigate closely when figuring out who and into what degree they are going to formally indict somebody. As the US law system is heavily based on precedents, it leads me to believe that they are going to indict both individuals and the franchise - as it was with the Spygate - which is why I believe that there is no way the Saints are able to just direct all of the responsibility on GW. Also, the fact that GW came out publicly and apologized for his "participation" in this activity might make the league be more lenient towards him and go after the franchise instead - it'll make a bigger statement.
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03-04-2012, 04:02 PM	#13
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	I've changed my mind. Knowing that what they were doing was ILLEGAL, I'm sure the defensive staff and players weren't just going around and BRAGGING about it whenever possible. So, honestly, it's possible nobody knew except for GW and the defensive players involved.

03-04-2012, 04:47 PM	#17
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Originally Posted by The Dude Why is noone talking about Gregg Williams punishment in all this. Imo he should have to take the brunt of the backlash. Hopefully one reason we didnt try to retain him was because of this Shawn really made nice with the media on Greg's behalf, I'm more sure now than ever that his services wouldn't have been retained as DC in the N.O. He will probably be released or fired Goddell is gonna come down as hard as the media claims he is.

03-04-2012, 04:53 PM	#18
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Originally Posted by Halo AND ... if the Bounty was going on in 2011, then how effective is it? There must have been a LOT of money left in that pool of money after 2011... the defense really didn't knock too many players out all season long. Three years, yes there were some painful hits to consider rendered by us. Sharper anialates Kevin Faulk 09. Warner vs McCray 09 ( deemed legal at the time ) by the way probably un called for given the final score. Farve all day ( This is probably the one with the most scrutiny ) But three years I don't remember seeing any stretchers, or is it just me. ( Tracy Porter, and Courtney Roby ) any body else.

03-04-2012, 04:57 PM	#19
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Three years, yes there were some painful hits to consider rendered by us. Sharper anialates Kevin Faulk 09. Warner vs McCray 09 ( deemed legal at the time ) by the way probably un called for given the final score. Farve all day ( This is probably the one with the most scrutiny ) But three years I don't remember seeing any stretchers, or is it just me. ( Tracy Porter, and Courtney Roby ) any body else. I wonder if it was considered a "stretcher hit" if the hit caused the Saint player to injure himself in the process? Maybe that is why they had to write down the rules - in order to avoid these gray areas?

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