A lot! Crusader, A whole bunch!
I've said it about the others, and its true for Drew also.
Leave Sean Payton's system, and your stock goes down, way down.
Players will fade away into mediocrity - some never to be heard from again.
Sean Payton is no god, but he does know how to position players to get the
most from their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Drew has been a BIG
part of that, and so has Chase Daniels. I believe he could get it done because
Payton wouldn't try to force square Chase into a round hole. Payton would
scheme around doing the things that he does best.

WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD UP -- SORRY FOR THE ALL CAPS BUT NOBODY LISTENED TO ME THE FIRST TIME.

What you have here is Kaare Johnson of WIST, who is the only one saying Brees is livid. Kaare Johnson said that, Brees didn't say that, Brees' agent didn't say that, NO ONE has said that except Kaare Johnson. And less than a month ago this same Kaare Johnson also said he had an "impeccable source" reporting that the Hornets had an out-of-town owner/buyer that was a "done deal" and that turned out to be a total crock -- in fact he was contradicted by the NBA president a few days later, that story was absolutely false. In fact there was no decision on an owner made, and still has not been.

Here ya'll are putting in Chase, and that's exactly what Kaare Johnson wants, to get people talking about his "scoop" that isn't a scoop. He even says himself, that he is not a journalist -- he just reports what he hears.

So calm down and put the baseball cap back on Chase's head, please! Until we hear this "livid" thing from somewhere reputable, it's just a rumor.

Our franchise has been doing so well and now all this drama. I just don't get it. We go from being one of the best, most competent teams in football in one season to butt heads again???

With the fines and draft choices that are going to be taken away from us, it might take another 3 years before we can draft Drew's replacement. I've been flamed before for saying that each and every game is important and been told it's a long season don't let a few games bother you, blah, blah, blah but the reality is that we've squandered 2 seasons of getting back to the Super Bowl and winning another ring or rings and now our window isn't just closing, it's SLAMMING SHUT!!

I guess we'll just have to get used to the fact that we're done as far as far as winning another championship for at least the foreseeable future and seeing the return of the Keystone Saints again, because this is going to impact our ability to get coaches and FA's to come here now.

I just spent $75 dollars filling my truck up with gas.

SkyMike how much a gallon is gas in Texas. It's $4.00 up here. Mark my word Drew will resign. If he's livid so what he's the one that made the decision not to sign. Again what ever 137 day till camp opens !Want to bet he'll be their.

In the meantime, the Saints will be charged the amount of the non-exclusive franchise tender against their salary cap. That figure is expected to be around $14.4 million. And the Saints and Brees will continue to negotiate on a long-term contract.

Even though it might make Brees unhappy, the franchise tag remains the Saints' best leverage in contract negotiations. They could actually use the franchise tag on him for three straight years, as long as they offer a 20 percent raise in 2013 ($19.2 million) and a 44 percent raise in 2014 ($27.6 million). That three-year total of $62.8 million wouldn't be much different than what they're expected to pay him if they reach a long-term contract agreement. Likely it wouldn't come to that, though, with both sides so motivated to reach a long-term agreement.

According to league sources, the Saints have offered Brees a long-term contract in the range of the five-year, $90 million deal the Indianapolis Colts signed with quarterback Peyton Manning last year. Apparently the biggest hurdle in negotiations right now is how much of that money will be included in the first three years of the deal. In Manning's deal, he was scheduled to receive more than $69 million in the first three years.

I think he retires in two so its a VERY smart move on the Saints part, business wise.

They could try to get Kellen Moore in the draft and/or sign Kyle Orton, SP can get both or either of them to play well within his system, and if they re-sign Daniel - well then they'd have an effective twosome or threesome.

Not exactly the same as having Brees as the QB, but better than nothing for sure.

Here, where I live in Finland, it was $8.35 a gallon, so count yourself lucky. ;-)

$9.99 a gallon in the UK

Is that for the cheapest variety of gas you guys have?

oh yeh, all we need is another Aarron Brooks

Unleaded averages £1.37litre and Diesel average is £1.44 litre

We are hit with huge taxes on fuel and Smoking here,neither of which I use,I will be a unhappy man when the mess with my Whiskey and Rum though.

That's bad.

Yesterday's national averages in Finland were €1.65/litre for 95 octane, €1.70/litre for 98 octane, and €1.56/litre for diesel.

Im not mad at Brees if this is true. He is no savior. He is a man that has 3 kids and wants to make the most. With that benig said the Saints may have too move on. It happens. Like I said before Tag him and trade him. He would be atleast worth 2 1st rds. Flynn is a FA and possibly Manning. Its a business according to Brees so treat him like it is business too.

Tag, you're it.

If we did trade him with for 2 first rounds picks you would have to wonder if we would even have them come draft day.

Exactly what I was thinking when I read these posts.

I suppose it would then depend on if management think they can get Drew to resign.
If he tells them he will play this year and walk,would it be worth trading for two picks and loosing them in penalties if it ment keeping next years picks and starting a fresh then.

All up in the air untill we really know if there are issues with the FA and what the penalties handed down will be.

It's spelled "re-sign." PLEASE PEOPLE! YOU'RE GIVING ME A HEART ATTACK OVER HERE TALKING ABOUT DREW RESIGNING!!!

I'll take it!

You're not seriously comparing the talent level of Brooks to that of RG3?!

Just thought about something...wouldn't it make sense if Tom Condon were spreading around that Brees was "livid" about the tag in some sort of absurd PR posturing scheme? It seems to me like this guy will say and do anything (law and morality be damned) to get the contract he wants, which is probably why so many big players use him.

Agents = Lawyers = politicians, no difference, snakes all.

Read it now, he will never win anything. 1 hit wonder. He is not even Michael Vick. He is more like Marcus Vick. He had a stud team behind him. You ever watch him play? Did you watch when he got hurt? The back up came in and BLEW UP!!!! 2tds, 151 yds passing on 7-11 passing.Your lucky, I was going to compare him to Akili Smith.

I've been thinking the same thing...sorta. Last summer Brees fought for the player's union. I think one of the things he wanted was for the league to raise salary caps. What better way to get the salry cap raised, or at leased talked about again, is to hold out for as much money that you can get, break the bank, and force the owners to go to the NFL and have the caps raised. Brees wants a huge payday. Manning and Brady have a huge payday. Stafford will get a huge payday, what next year. Everybody wants a huge payday. Nothing would make these union guys happier than to get the cap raised so everybody can be making millions of dollars a year. Nobody plays football just to play football anymore. Those days are long gone. They've dream't since they were in pee wee football of being in the NFL and making the millions of dollars their "heros" on TV were making. Bottom line...I think Brees is still in contract negotiations with the league, not just the Saints. I hope I'm wrong and this gets settled in the next few days.

And on the subject of RG3, I think anyone who drafts him is in for major headaches in about two years.

Don't blaim Brees if he is livid. He was frachised before and shown the door after he got injured. Very well could happen again to him. It is a business for these guys and they have to protect themselves. Hard to imagine on the other hand when 18 million isn't good enough, if that is in fact a true figure.

only difference is before he was released by the Chargers he wasn't offered the chance to become the highest paid player in the league, which he turned down when we offered it him

I admit that I don't know that much about him, and I've never seen him play, because I don't follow college football, so what you are saying might very well be true.

But I do know what Brooks was capable of, and I doubt RG3 will suck as much as he did.

RJ3 will be another vick. Be solid but never have the talent to lift his team to a Championship. Perfect for the Browns who just want wins!

The difference is the Chargers already had his replacement under contract.
Rivers was drafted in 2004 so they had already paid him for 2 years to sit the bench. We don't have Drew's replacement yet. Big difference in the tag usage.

I heard we're making a trade for Matt Ryan.


*ducks*

I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line??

Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant?

In the context of the salary cap -
In the context of the past successes -
In the context of individual contribution -
In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries -
In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks -

Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team.

Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body.

He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call.

I agree. Some of here are turn on Brees too. Come on. Stop that.
Nothing last forever.
Brees wasn't going to stay his current age, ability, etc.
Salary cap.
Brees should get his due pay. He has earned it all up to this year. It will be at the sacrifice of some other Saints having to be let go in trades and draft pciks and free agency.
I still think he is that vaulable to the Saints.
The Saints need to start rebuilding now with the qb position and others.
Coach SP really seems to have been good at rebuilding , I should say refilling along the way.
I am not ready to see Brees and some other Saints players move on. I am ready to see SP and staff move on either.
I know it is all going to happen. I really think many of these players and coaching staff have another good season left. I mean a winning season and maybe even SB. After this year, I think the next season would be a fair season with hard wins, ugly wins at 9-7 or 10-6.
After 2013, that will be the end of the wonderful ride with this current team and coaching staff.
That is when you really start rebuilding a team with new general manager, coaching staff, and players.
Ask Indy Colts. Maybe with our Saints world being upside down right now with Brees tagged and the scandal, hmm, Peyton Manning is out of Colts, Brees ends up in Indy Colts and Manning ends up in Saints. :dunce:
I do not know what is going on in Saintsville.:confused:
Who messed up our apple cart?:twisted:
Just kidding about Brees-Manning trading places.




Always:bng:

xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed.
Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM?
It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve.
PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now.

Originally Posted by voodooido
"oh yeh, all we need is another Aarron Brooks."

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You forgot.
Or Bobby Hebert. Or John Forucade. How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd. I forgot who was 2nd qb under Richard Todd. Maybe it was still Dave Wilson of California. I still remember the pictures at the press conference of Richard Todd and his wife. RTodd was like, just there. Here was just a place to just kill some time and get a few good pays for investments seemed to be his facial expression.
Kenny "Snake" Stabler WAS very good, but we got him at the very end of his career. The backup qb was Dave Wilson. Kenny or Dave? Dave or Kenny?
Take Kenny.

I always hear people here knock Aaron Brooks. Yes, he was a mediocre qb just like all of the rest we had before him. No one mentions the others we had. Brees is the only winning qb and most talented qb we have ever had. Yes, Brees had all the other elements with him in fellow palyers, caoching staff, but judging him alone, Brees is a very talented, smart qb.
Oh and Archie Manning was ok. Just ok. Yes, as my Dearly Deceased Dad used to say, "Archice was ok or maybe he could have been better but , "Saints had a bunch of moochey heads back then."
My dad was old. Moochey heads is what he called the 1970s' cocaine headed players-Chuck Muncie and the gang back them.
I cannot remember Kilmer. I was too young and never read up over the years about him in our Saints. That is proof enough by not much mention of him so he was just ok.

In the NFL you get paid for past services. That's why Jimmy Graham makes 600k right now, and in two years he will make 7+ million, even if he sucks. It's also why players don't do a whole lot of performance based contracts.

Yeah you rite. And I respect his decision. I am a Drew Brees fan. He wanted what amounts to (I think) 15 million more up front dollars over the first three years. That's not chump change, even for Drew. I get it. But it also means (I think) that he wasn't willing to meet the team halfway, and that's what is most depressing to me, because up until Monday I thought he truly was that kind of guy. Rare to be sure.

The Saints offer was fair. Brady money for any player is plenty fair. Think about it Drew. Do the right thing here man.

Can we trash this thread already?

Yeah, but everyone passed on Warren Moon and that is why he ended up playing in the Canadian league.

It was just how things were back then, no one thought that an African American QB could be successful in the league, but Moon sure proved them wrong.