Full statement from the NFL on the Saints 'bounty' program

SloMotion · 03-05-2012, 08:53 PM

Ok, but the investigation still has yet to show if any Saints players actually collected from the program for any 'knockout' or 'cart-off' hits.

Everyone understands pay-for-performance in the NFL is wrong, but was anybody ever actually taken out of the game because of a 'bounty' hit by the Saints?

I'm sure players received payments for fumble recoverys, interceptions, tackles, et ... every team does it, but to keep emphasizing intent to injure without citing the examples of it is inflammatory, IMO.

Seems to me the league office is more worried about the fact "Non-contract Bonus Payments" were made.

Srgt. Hulka · 03-06-2012, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Ok, but the investigation still has yet to show if any Saints players actually collected from the program for any 'knockout' or 'cart-off' hits.

But SloMotion, it doesn't matter if anyone collected from the program or not. As bad as our defense has been the last couple of years, I doubt that anyone did collect. But the fact that money was on the table is what's wrong. I think this is not going away just because players didn't collect. This is going to be around and will be hurting us for a long time.

Halo · 03-06-2012, 10:32 AM

We have more work to do and we will do it.”

You sure do, get back to work....

SloMotion · 03-06-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

But SloMotion, it doesn't matter if anyone collected from the program or not. As bad as our defense has been the last couple of years, I doubt that anyone did collect. But the fact that money was on the table is what's wrong. I think this is not going away just because players didn't collect. This is going to be around and will be hurting us for a long time.

Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing.

I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not.

It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it.

.... I got a headache ....

alexonfyre · 03-06-2012, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing.

I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not.

It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it.

.... I got a headache ....

Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself...

SloMotion · 03-06-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself...

... that sucks, didn't know they could do that. Guess I don't hang around enough lawbreakers,

.... j/k.

03-05-2012, 08:53 PM	#1
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Ok, but the investigation still has yet to show if any Saints players actually collected from the program for any 'knockout' or 'cart-off' hits. Everyone understands pay-for-performance in the NFL is wrong, but was anybody ever actually taken out of the game because of a 'bounty' hit by the Saints? I'm sure players received payments for fumble recoverys, interceptions, tackles, et ... every team does it, but to keep emphasizing intent to injure without citing the examples of it is inflammatory, IMO. Seems to me the league office is more worried about the fact "Non-contract Bonus Payments" were made. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

03-06-2012, 08:53 AM	#2
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Originally Posted by SloMotion Ok, but the investigation still has yet to show if any Saints players actually collected from the program for any 'knockout' or 'cart-off' hits. But SloMotion, it doesn't matter if anyone collected from the program or not. As bad as our defense has been the last couple of years, I doubt that anyone did collect. But the fact that money was on the table is what's wrong. I think this is not going away just because players didn't collect. This is going to be around and will be hurting us for a long time.

03-06-2012, 10:38 AM	#4
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka But SloMotion, it doesn't matter if anyone collected from the program or not. As bad as our defense has been the last couple of years, I doubt that anyone did collect. But the fact that money was on the table is what's wrong. I think this is not going away just because players didn't collect. This is going to be around and will be hurting us for a long time. Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing. I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not. It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it. .... I got a headache ....

03-06-2012, 10:48 AM	#5
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing. I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not. It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it. .... I got a headache .... Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself...

03-06-2012, 11:05 AM	#6
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by alexonfyre Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself... ... that sucks, didn't know they could do that. Guess I don't hang around enough lawbreakers, .... j/k.

03-06-2012, 10:32 AM	#3
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,924 Blog Entries: 45	We have more work to do and we will do it.” You sure do, get back to work....

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