Moss to visit Saints(update pg.7)

gandhi1007 · 03-08-2012, 06:07 PM

Moss is a human being. He's been through the ringer for the last 3-4 years because of his antics. The last full season anyone saw this guy play, he set & still holds the NFL records. There is not an NFL CB that can cover this guy when he's giving effort. I think this is an oppurtunity for Moss to get redemption for his past. I say go with it if he's cheap. I think he wants to change his appearance in the public eye & show what caliber of an athlete he still is. Besides......do you really think Meachem or Devery are even in the same hemisphere of Moss? If you do, you are kidding yourself. Mr. Loomis, get Brees this weapon.....even if only for one year.

Danno · 03-08-2012, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Moss is a human being. He's been through the ringer for the last 3-4 years because of his antics. The last full season anyone saw this guy play, he set & still holds the NFL records. There is not an NFL CB that can cover this guy when he's giving effort. I think this is an oppurtunity for Moss to get redemption for his past. I say go with it if he's cheap. I think he wants to change his appearance in the public eye & show what caliber of an athlete he still is. Besides......do you really think Meachem or Devery are even in the same hemisphere of Moss? If you do, you are kidding yourself. Mr. Loomis, get Brees this weapon.....even if only for one year.

Well I think the question here is "is this that Randy Moss?"

My gut says the 2012 version of Moss is a shadow of his former self.

Just because he was great 3 or 4 years ago doesn't mean he still is now.

If he's still what we saw in 2010, then YES, Meachem and Henderson are definitely better options than Randy Moss, no doubt about it.

gandhi1007 · 03-08-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well I think the question here is "is this that Randy Moss?"

My gut says the 2012 version of Moss is a shadow of his former self.

Just because he was great 3 or 4 years ago doesn't mean he still is now.

If he's still what we saw in 2010, then YES, Meachem and Henderson are definitely better options than Randy Moss, no doubt about it.

"4.39 to 4.42 forty time", "ran precise routes", "caught everything thrown his way", "looked physically in great shape", "wowed everyone there". Now.....I'd say that sounds like the old Randy. That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35! That said......he's cheap, has excellent hands, is 6'4", & is fast. Oh yeah.....he's also one of the best WR's of all time. Why not take a shot at him? If he shows signs of "prima donna" behavior, you simply cut him.....end of story. It's not like you broke the bank for him.

Also.....I know people will probably break out the pitchforks on this, but he also doesn't drop catchable balls, like Colston. I love Colston, but truth is truth. Look at it this way.......Marques Colston for $8-9 million/yr. or Randy Moss for $1 million/ year. Uhmmm.......I'll take Randy & use the leftover money on defense where we really need it.

Danno · 03-08-2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

"That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35!

I honestly could not disagree more with this statement.

You and I frequently agree, but we are polar opposites on this one my friend.

gandhi1007 · 03-08-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I honestly could not disagree more with this statement.

You and I frequently agree, but we are polar opposites on this one my friend.

I'll make it simple...... neither Devery or Meachem have had a 1,000 yd. receiving season in their entire careers. Neither have had a double digit TD season either. Moss, on the other hand, has averaged over 1,100 yds. a season & nearly 12 TD's a season for the past 13 years. That's also averaging his 2006 & 2010 seasons where he didn't put up any stats.

People can hate the guy all they want, but the fact remains......Randy Moss is one of the most prolific WR's of all time. Take that into account, the fact that he is so hungry for a ring, & the fact that he physically "still has it." You may disagree for personal reasons or whatever, but there is no doubt that Moss is a better player than Meachem or Henderson on any given day.

P.S. - Randy's worst season is on par with either Devery or Meachem's career averages.

Danno · 03-08-2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I'll make it simple...... neither Devery or Meachem have had a 1,000 yd. receiving season in their entire careers. Neither have had a double digit TD season either. Moss, on the other hand, has averaged over 1,100 yds. a season & nearly 12 TD's a season for the past 13 years. That's also averaging his 2006 & 2010 seasons where he didn't put up any stats.

People can hate the guy all they want, but the fact remains......Randy Moss is one of the most prolific WR's of all time. Take that into account, the fact that he is so hungry for a ring, & the fact that he physically "still has it." You may disagree for personal reasons or whatever, but there is no doubt that Moss is a better player than Meachem or Henderson on any given day.

P.S. - Randy's worst season is on par with either Devery or Meachem's career averages.

You keep saying "is" when you should be saying "was".

gandhi1007 · 03-08-2012, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You keep saying "is" when you should be saying "was".

That remains to be seen, but according to everyone who was at his Saints tryout........it's looking like "is" is the term to be used. Regardless......like I said before, Moss's worst seasons are on par with Meachem & Henderson's career average.

SloMotion · 03-09-2012, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

"4.39 to 4.42 forty time", "ran precise routes", "caught everything thrown his way", "looked physically in great shape", "wowed everyone there". Now.....I'd say that sounds like the old Randy. That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35! That said......he's cheap, has excellent hands, is 6'4", & is fast. Oh yeah.....he's also one of the best WR's of all time. Why not take a shot at him? If he shows signs of "prima donna" behavior, you simply cut him.....end of story. It's not like you broke the bank for him.

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

WWL and other sources said he did not run the 40 this morning - that statement by SportsNOLA.com is false.

There was also a statement that surfaced (I noticed my Editor at WhoDatDish said it also) that the Saints were going to offer Moss a contract in the coming days.
I just spoke to Kevin Spain of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. He has informed me at this time there has been no verification that the New Orleans Saints have intent to offer WR Randy Moss a contract in the coming days.

I'm all over the board on Randy Moss. One day I'll be thinking he's the next coming, then I'll remember him quitting on routes.

You make a very compelling argument for signing Moss and I just wanted to point out post #68 or so in this thread where BGWhoDat put into question the "4.39 to 4.42 forty time". That to me signaled the Randy Moss debate had, or will soon be, a media circus. The "facts" are flying and who knows what's true or not. You can see where BGWhoDat quoted sources both stating and then not confirming a Randy Moss signing.

But, I think in light of everything that's gone on lately, I say the Saints embrace the 'bad-boy' image and sign him. Embracing that image did wonders for the Detroit Pistons of the '80s and led to multiple championships.

Give Moss a second chance to prove himself as long as you can cut him loose should he revert to his old ways. Make the gamble worth the risk by signing him cheap.

For better or worse, I'm now officially on board the Randy Moss bandwagon. IDK if it means I love controversy and/or I am an excitement junkie, but I do know there probably won't be a dull moment, good or bad.

BGWhoDat · 03-09-2012, 09:37 AM

@SloMotion

I'm glad you read that. I was very disappointed to see so many signals crossed. I know NBC Sports later said the he didn't run the 40 either. I'm not sure where SportsNOLA got their information. I know Moss claimed when he made the statement he wanted to play football again that he could run that and recently clocked at it. Maybe that's where.

I was displeased to say the least with my Editor making a false claim that the Saints were going to make him an offer. I never make claims in my articles or posts unless I can confirm them with a few legit sources. I never rely on one persons/websites claim.

I'm sure you can understand my position when I have to correct people due to them reading something someone who is "higher in position" than me wrote with absolutely no credible source to say such a claim. It would have been different had he have said "should offer" or "could offer" instead of "will."

03-08-2012, 06:07 PM	#1
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Moss is a human being. He's been through the ringer for the last 3-4 years because of his antics. The last full season anyone saw this guy play, he set & still holds the NFL records. There is not an NFL CB that can cover this guy when he's giving effort. I think this is an oppurtunity for Moss to get redemption for his past. I say go with it if he's cheap. I think he wants to change his appearance in the public eye & show what caliber of an athlete he still is. Besides......do you really think Meachem or Devery are even in the same hemisphere of Moss? If you do, you are kidding yourself. Mr. Loomis, get Brees this weapon.....even if only for one year.
	http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...gs/12-3006.jpg ______________________________ KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! -G.I. Joe

03-08-2012, 06:29 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Moss is a human being. He's been through the ringer for the last 3-4 years because of his antics. The last full season anyone saw this guy play, he set & still holds the NFL records. There is not an NFL CB that can cover this guy when he's giving effort. I think this is an oppurtunity for Moss to get redemption for his past. I say go with it if he's cheap. I think he wants to change his appearance in the public eye & show what caliber of an athlete he still is. Besides......do you really think Meachem or Devery are even in the same hemisphere of Moss? If you do, you are kidding yourself. Mr. Loomis, get Brees this weapon.....even if only for one year. Well I think the question here is "is this that Randy Moss?" My gut says the 2012 version of Moss is a shadow of his former self. Just because he was great 3 or 4 years ago doesn't mean he still is now. If he's still what we saw in 2010, then YES, Meachem and Henderson are definitely better options than Randy Moss, no doubt about it.

03-08-2012, 06:45 PM	#3
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by Danno Well I think the question here is "is this that Randy Moss?" My gut says the 2012 version of Moss is a shadow of his former self. Just because he was great 3 or 4 years ago doesn't mean he still is now. If he's still what we saw in 2010, then YES, Meachem and Henderson are definitely better options than Randy Moss, no doubt about it. "4.39 to 4.42 forty time", "ran precise routes", "caught everything thrown his way", "looked physically in great shape", "wowed everyone there". Now.....I'd say that sounds like the old Randy. That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35! That said......he's cheap, has excellent hands, is 6'4", & is fast. Oh yeah.....he's also one of the best WR's of all time. Why not take a shot at him? If he shows signs of "prima donna" behavior, you simply cut him.....end of story. It's not like you broke the bank for him. Also.....I know people will probably break out the pitchforks on this, but he also doesn't drop catchable balls, like Colston. I love Colston, but truth is truth. Look at it this way.......Marques Colston for $8-9 million/yr. or Randy Moss for $1 million/ year. Uhmmm.......I'll take Randy & use the leftover money on defense where we really need it.
	http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...gs/12-3006.jpg ______________________________ KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! -G.I. Joe

03-08-2012, 06:50 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 "That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35! I honestly could not disagree more with this statement. You and I frequently agree, but we are polar opposites on this one my friend.

03-08-2012, 07:18 PM	#5
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by Danno I honestly could not disagree more with this statement. You and I frequently agree, but we are polar opposites on this one my friend. I'll make it simple...... neither Devery or Meachem have had a 1,000 yd. receiving season in their entire careers. Neither have had a double digit TD season either. Moss, on the other hand, has averaged over 1,100 yds. a season & nearly 12 TD's a season for the past 13 years. That's also averaging his 2006 & 2010 seasons where he didn't put up any stats. People can hate the guy all they want, but the fact remains......Randy Moss is one of the most prolific WR's of all time. Take that into account, the fact that he is so hungry for a ring, & the fact that he physically "still has it." You may disagree for personal reasons or whatever, but there is no doubt that Moss is a better player than Meachem or Henderson on any given day. P.S. - Randy's worst season is on par with either Devery or Meachem's career averages.
	http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...gs/12-3006.jpg ______________________________ KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! -G.I. Joe

03-08-2012, 09:17 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I'll make it simple...... neither Devery or Meachem have had a 1,000 yd. receiving season in their entire careers. Neither have had a double digit TD season either. Moss, on the other hand, has averaged over 1,100 yds. a season & nearly 12 TD's a season for the past 13 years. That's also averaging his 2006 & 2010 seasons where he didn't put up any stats. People can hate the guy all they want, but the fact remains......Randy Moss is one of the most prolific WR's of all time. Take that into account, the fact that he is so hungry for a ring, & the fact that he physically "still has it." You may disagree for personal reasons or whatever, but there is no doubt that Moss is a better player than Meachem or Henderson on any given day. P.S. - Randy's worst season is on par with either Devery or Meachem's career averages. You keep saying "is" when you should be saying "was".

03-08-2012, 09:23 PM	#7
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by Danno You keep saying "is" when you should be saying "was". That remains to be seen, but according to everyone who was at his Saints tryout........it's looking like "is" is the term to be used. Regardless......like I said before, Moss's worst seasons are on par with Meachem & Henderson's career average.

03-09-2012, 06:59 AM	#8
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 "4.39 to 4.42 forty time", "ran precise routes", "caught everything thrown his way", "looked physically in great shape", "wowed everyone there". Now.....I'd say that sounds like the old Randy. That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35! That said......he's cheap, has excellent hands, is 6'4", & is fast. Oh yeah.....he's also one of the best WR's of all time. Why not take a shot at him? If he shows signs of "prima donna" behavior, you simply cut him.....end of story. It's not like you broke the bank for him. Originally Posted by BGWhoDat WWL and other sources said he did not run the 40 this morning - that statement by SportsNOLA.com is false. There was also a statement that surfaced (I noticed my Editor at WhoDatDish said it also) that the Saints were going to offer Moss a contract in the coming days. I just spoke to Kevin Spain of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. He has informed me at this time there has been no verification that the New Orleans Saints have intent to offer WR Randy Moss a contract in the coming days. I'm all over the board on Randy Moss. One day I'll be thinking he's the next coming, then I'll remember him quitting on routes. You make a very compelling argument for signing Moss and I just wanted to point out post #68 or so in this thread where BGWhoDat put into question the "4.39 to 4.42 forty time". That to me signaled the Randy Moss debate had, or will soon be, a media circus. The "facts" are flying and who knows what's true or not. You can see where BGWhoDat quoted sources both stating and then not confirming a Randy Moss signing. But, I think in light of everything that's gone on lately, I say the Saints embrace the 'bad-boy' image and sign him. Embracing that image did wonders for the Detroit Pistons of the '80s and led to multiple championships. Give Moss a second chance to prove himself as long as you can cut him loose should he revert to his old ways. Make the gamble worth the risk by signing him cheap. For better or worse, I'm now officially on board the Randy Moss bandwagon. IDK if it means I love controversy and/or I am an excitement junkie, but I do know there probably won't be a dull moment, good or bad. CharityMike and BGWhoDat like this.

03-09-2012, 09:37 AM	#9
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	@SloMotion I'm glad you read that. I was very disappointed to see so many signals crossed. I know NBC Sports later said the he didn't run the 40 either. I'm not sure where SportsNOLA got their information. I know Moss claimed when he made the statement he wanted to play football again that he could run that and recently clocked at it. Maybe that's where. I was displeased to say the least with my Editor making a false claim that the Saints were going to make him an offer. I never make claims in my articles or posts unless I can confirm them with a few legit sources. I never rely on one persons/websites claim. I'm sure you can understand my position when I have to correct people due to them reading something someone who is "higher in position" than me wrote with absolutely no credible source to say such a claim. It would have been different had he have said "should offer" or "could offer" instead of "will."
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