Another Payton Magic Trick

JimmyB1775 · 03-12-2012, 01:48 PM

So currently, we're up in the air with Brees, Nicks, Colston, the salary cap, bounties and a few other things. Two of them we cannot control: salary cap space and the bounty investigation.

Is there any chance this is a Loomis/Payton magic trick of misdirection? Is there anything to benefit the Saints by waiting til the last minute to sign top FA's? Or perhaps its a magic trick by Condon to allow his other FA in Manning the looming possibility of Brees becoming a bargaining chip? That idea hasn't even been brought up by the media, but I can see both doing it.

Rugby Saint II · 03-12-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by JimmyB1775

So currently, we're up in the air with Brees, Nicks, Colston, the salary cap, bounties and a few other things. Two of them we cannot control: salary cap space and the bounty investigation.

Is there any chance this is a Loomis/Payton magic trick of misdirection? Is there anything to benefit the Saints by waiting til the last minute to sign top FA's? Or perhaps its a magic trick by Condon to allow his other FA in Manning the looming possibility of Brees becoming a bargaining chip? That idea hasn't even been brought up by the media, but I can see both doing it.

I certainly wouldn't rule out bringing Manning here. Although, I don't see that happening. He's the same age as Drew(roughly) and Drew is healthy.

FinSaint · 03-12-2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I certainly wouldn't rule out bringing Manning here. Although, I don't see that happening. He's the same age as Drew(roughly) and Drew is healthy.

He isn't even scheduled to visit NO, so I don't think the Saints are in the Manning hunt.

TheOak · 03-12-2012, 02:27 PM

The Manning "looming possibility" it about 0.0002 %. If you want to call that a possibility..... feel free.

|Mitch| · 03-12-2012, 02:38 PM

Manning is 2-3 years older than Brees; and I'd argue not as good either. Especially not after 4? neck surgeries...

MistaBigXXL · 03-12-2012, 02:39 PM

I don't see any chance of that happening. If Condon is representing both QB's wouldn't it be a conflict of interest?

JimmyB1775 · 03-12-2012, 03:54 PM

I didn't mean bringing Manning here, I meant Condon thought other teams might think they could snag Brees or maybe his UFA status would make OTHER TEAMS (Denver, Miami, etc) think they initially had a shot and now their only option is Manning. Get it?

SaintsBro · 03-12-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by JimmyB1775

Is there anything to benefit the Saints by waiting til the last minute to sign top FA's?

It is just the nature of the beast, with Unrestricted Free Agents, that anything the Saints offer to an unrestricted free agent player will be compared to what other teams will offer the same player...that takes time.... So there is no real benefit to the Saints, by making their offer right out the gate, early at the start of free agency, because, then other teams will have more time to make their offers, and they will already know what the Saints offers are, so they can offer more. It is better for the Saints to quietly decide what they can afford, figure out what the Saints' offer is going to be, and then stick to it, and not get into an escalating bidding war unless they really really need the player.

Personally, I am starting to get a feeling that the Brees deal will get done the minute that Nicks is officially signed elsewhere. That's what I think the holdup is. Maybe it won't even get done until July, depending on how long it takes Nicks to make up his mind.

03-12-2012, 01:48 PM	#1
JimmyB1775 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 216 Blog Entries: 1	Another Payton Magic Trick So currently, we're up in the air with Brees, Nicks, Colston, the salary cap, bounties and a few other things. Two of them we cannot control: salary cap space and the bounty investigation. Is there any chance this is a Loomis/Payton magic trick of misdirection? Is there anything to benefit the Saints by waiting til the last minute to sign top FA's? Or perhaps its a magic trick by Condon to allow his other FA in Manning the looming possibility of Brees becoming a bargaining chip? That idea hasn't even been brought up by the media, but I can see both doing it.

03-12-2012, 02:02 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Originally Posted by JimmyB1775 So currently, we're up in the air with Brees, Nicks, Colston, the salary cap, bounties and a few other things. Two of them we cannot control: salary cap space and the bounty investigation. Is there any chance this is a Loomis/Payton magic trick of misdirection? Is there anything to benefit the Saints by waiting til the last minute to sign top FA's? Or perhaps its a magic trick by Condon to allow his other FA in Manning the looming possibility of Brees becoming a bargaining chip? That idea hasn't even been brought up by the media, but I can see both doing it. I certainly wouldn't rule out bringing Manning here. Although, I don't see that happening. He's the same age as Drew(roughly) and Drew is healthy.

03-12-2012, 02:24 PM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I certainly wouldn't rule out bringing Manning here. Although, I don't see that happening. He's the same age as Drew(roughly) and Drew is healthy. He isn't even scheduled to visit NO, so I don't think the Saints are in the Manning hunt.

03-12-2012, 06:53 PM	#8
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by JimmyB1775 Is there anything to benefit the Saints by waiting til the last minute to sign top FA's? It is just the nature of the beast, with Unrestricted Free Agents, that anything the Saints offer to an unrestricted free agent player will be compared to what other teams will offer the same player...that takes time.... So there is no real benefit to the Saints, by making their offer right out the gate, early at the start of free agency, because, then other teams will have more time to make their offers, and they will already know what the Saints offers are, so they can offer more. It is better for the Saints to quietly decide what they can afford, figure out what the Saints' offer is going to be, and then stick to it, and not get into an escalating bidding war unless they really really need the player. Personally, I am starting to get a feeling that the Brees deal will get done the minute that Nicks is officially signed elsewhere. That's what I think the holdup is. Maybe it won't even get done until July, depending on how long it takes Nicks to make up his mind.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	The Manning "looming possibility" it about 0.0002 %. If you want to call that a possibility..... feel free.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Manning is 2-3 years older than Brees; and I'd argue not as good either. Especially not after 4? neck surgeries...

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MistaBigXXL 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 133	I don't see any chance of that happening. If Condon is representing both QB's wouldn't it be a conflict of interest?

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JimmyB1775 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 216 Blog Entries: 1	I didn't mean bringing Manning here, I meant Condon thought other teams might think they could snag Brees or maybe his UFA status would make OTHER TEAMS (Denver, Miami, etc) think they initially had a shot and now their only option is Manning. Get it?