Robert Meachem leaving should answer old question

WhoDat!656 · 03-17-2012, 08:45 AM

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Danno · 03-17-2012, 08:52 AM

Are they really as good as they look or are their stats inflated because they're a "product" of the Saints well-oiled passing "system?"

I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold.

FinSaint · 03-17-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold.

Yeah, of course it doesn't hurt that you have one of the best QBs ever throwing the ball and an offensive master like SP drawing up the plays you run, but like you said - these guys would probably get more chances to show their true worth and abilities in a different system.

alleycat_126 · 03-17-2012, 11:13 AM

In Meachem's case I think he was made better not by Drew but by the group of receivers which resided in NO in his time here, no nonsense guys, quiet, about business guys your never here our WRS complaing about how many balls there getting, not getting. It is an environment which breeds " be ready when your number is called"

alexonfyre · 03-17-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold.

In the case of a good receiver, this is true, but in the case of a bad receiver, the system can get them open when they wouldn't normally be able to get open, it can get them in matchups that are favorable when normally they wouldn't play against that corner. A good system will take someone who is having an off day and move in a new piece, minimizing your bad days (in terms of mistakes) and maximizing your good ones. All of these things change when you go into a traditional WR1, WR2 scenario, when you have to make those things happen on your own, every play, by knowing the playbook, knowing your opponent, and executing. In the Saints system a lot of that is done by Payton and Drew for the players.

WhoDat!656 · 03-17-2012, 12:19 PM

As long as the Chargers know there is no buyers remorse if he isn't as effective as he was with the Saints.

Speedy Ron · 03-17-2012, 02:05 PM

cant be that old of a question..brees has only been here for 6 years (?)...
but i totally agree. most of our wr wont be affective with other qbs. our wr dont have seperation skills at all.

The Dude · 03-17-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold.

I think its a little bit of both if that makes any sense.

ScottF · 03-17-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

cant be that old of a question..brees has only been here for 6 years (?)...
but i totally agree. most of our wr wont be affective with other qbs. our wr dont have seperation skills at all.

good points, and Meachem barely saw the field for two years

These are better 'old' questions:
1) Was Meachem, with 141 catches in 4 years, a 'bust'?
2) Why do teams overpay for our players?
3) Why can't we get long-term production from our #1 picks?

Danno · 03-17-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I think its a little bit of both if that makes any sense.

It is a bit of the chicken/egg quandry isn't it?

03-17-2012, 08:52 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Are they really as good as they look or are their stats inflated because they're a "product" of the Saints well-oiled passing "system?" I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold. exiled likes this.

03-17-2012, 09:08 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Danno I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold. Yeah, of course it doesn't hurt that you have one of the best QBs ever throwing the ball and an offensive master like SP drawing up the plays you run, but like you said - these guys would probably get more chances to show their true worth and abilities in a different system.

03-17-2012, 11:27 AM	#5
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by Danno I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold. In the case of a good receiver, this is true, but in the case of a bad receiver, the system can get them open when they wouldn't normally be able to get open, it can get them in matchups that are favorable when normally they wouldn't play against that corner. A good system will take someone who is having an off day and move in a new piece, minimizing your bad days (in terms of mistakes) and maximizing your good ones. All of these things change when you go into a traditional WR1, WR2 scenario, when you have to make those things happen on your own, every play, by knowing the playbook, knowing your opponent, and executing. In the Saints system a lot of that is done by Payton and Drew for the players. GOULA SAINT likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Originally Posted by Danno I think he has this backwards. I think their stats are deflated because Drew spreads the ball around to every eligible receiver dressed in black and gold. I think its a little bit of both if that makes any sense.
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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Speedy Ron cant be that old of a question..brees has only been here for 6 years (?)... but i totally agree. most of our wr wont be affective with other qbs. our wr dont have seperation skills at all. good points, and Meachem barely saw the field for two years These are better 'old' questions: 1) Was Meachem, with 141 catches in 4 years, a 'bust'? 2) Why do teams overpay for our players? 3) Why can't we get long-term production from our #1 picks?

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alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	In Meachem's case I think he was made better not by Drew but by the group of receivers which resided in NO in his time here, no nonsense guys, quiet, about business guys your never here our WRS complaing about how many balls there getting, not getting. It is an environment which breeds " be ready when your number is called"

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	As long as the Chargers know there is no buyers remorse if he isn't as effective as he was with the Saints.

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Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	cant be that old of a question..brees has only been here for 6 years (?)... but i totally agree. most of our wr wont be affective with other qbs. our wr dont have seperation skills at all.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by The Dude I think its a little bit of both if that makes any sense. It is a bit of the chicken/egg quandry isn't it?

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