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alleycat_126 04-01-2012 08:43 AM
Robinson: Saints best corner by next season's end?
 
I was scrolling through bleacherreport.com because I had nothing else better to do today ( except cut the grass and fix my brother's uverse) and I saw that Robinson is even rated ahead of Greer! Do you think he can be the number 1 by season's end!!!

Danno 04-01-2012 09:09 AM
I think he will be our best CB by year end. I said that a couple months ago too.

papz 04-01-2012 09:38 AM
I think he'll be our best corner as soon at camp starts.

|Mitch| 04-01-2012 10:03 AM
better than Greer?

Danno 04-01-2012 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 394214)
I think he'll be our best corner as soon at camp starts.
Maybe by opening day, but I think Greer still has the vet savvy edge right now.

I also expect to hear much more from Johnny Patrick too.

papz 04-01-2012 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 394216)
better than Greer?
Yea... and I'm not knocking Greer either. Greer is 30 has hit his ceiling. Robinson will be coming into his down and start peaking. If we can manage a consistent pass rush, I think he's going to ball hawk on the outside.

I'm looking forward to hearing more on Patrick too. I didn't pay too much attention to him while some of you guys were talking about him towards the tail end of last year... hopefully he can nail down that nickel spot and show upside for more.

TheDeuce 04-01-2012 11:18 AM
Robinson obviously has the talent, but I just don't think he's a very good cornerback. He's alright in pass coverage, but I haven't seen a worse tackling cornerback since Deion Sanders. His favorite move is to dive in front of the ballcarrier and hope he trips him.

Danno 04-01-2012 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 394226)
Robinson obviously has the talent, but I just don't think he's a very good cornerback. He's alright in pass coverage, but I haven't seen a worse tackling cornerback since Deion Sanders. His favorite move is to dive in front of the ballcarrier and hope he trips him.
That sounds more like Porter than anyone else we had last year.

Greer had his fair share of Sanders-like tackles, as did Jenkins.

|Mitch| 04-01-2012 11:38 AM
hopefully Flajole will press the fact that it's okay to wrap up... back to basics :doh:

TheDeuce 04-01-2012 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 394227)
That sounds more like Porter than anyone else we had last year.

Greer had his fair share of Sanders-like tackles, as did Jenkins.
I agree that none of our cornerbacks were laying the wood... but I firmly believe that Robinson was the worst tackler on the team. Hopefully he'll get some form-tackling tips this offseason.

Marlboro Man 04-01-2012 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 394237)
I agree that none of our cornerbacks were laying the wood... but I firmly believe that Robinson was the worst tackler on the team. Hopefully he'll get some form-tackling tips this offseason.
Patrick Robinson is a good CB if you think allowing every pass to be completed to his man. I mean he had what, 3 passes defensed the whole freakin year? The INT's he got were not because of great CB play or making a play on the ball, they were thrown right at him instead of the reciever. Johnny Patrick has shown more talent in the limited PT he's had. But hey, believe what you want.

TheDeuce 04-01-2012 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 394240)
Patrick Robinson is a good CB if you think allowing every pass to be completed to his man. I mean he had what, 3 passes defensed the whole freakin year? The INT's he got were not because of great CB play or making a play on the ball, they were thrown right at him instead of the reciever. Johnny Patrick has shown more talent in the limited PT he's had. But hey, believe what you want.
Not sure if this was directed at me or not. So I'll re-state that I think Robinson has the talent to be good, but his inconsistency, especially trying to tackle, holds him back.

papz 04-01-2012 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 394227)
That sounds more like Porter than anyone else we had last year.

Greer had his fair share of Sanders-like tackles, as did Jenkins.
I agree.

If one thinks Robinson was a terrible tackler, I'm not sure there would be a term to describe Porter.

Danno 04-01-2012 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 394240)
Patrick Robinson is a good CB if you think allowing every pass to be completed to his man.
I'm convinced its not Marlboros your smoking.

Patrick Robinson was the 7th best rated CB in the entire league at opposing QB rating.

Rank Name Team NFL Rating
1 Darrelle Revis NYJ 45.6
2 Asante Samuel PHI 52.4
3 Chris Gamble CAR 53.3
4 Ike Taylor PIT 54.8
5 Lardarius Webb BLT 56.2
6 Richard Sherman SEA 57.3
7 Patrick Robinson NO 59.3
8 Brandon Carr KC 61.7
9 Carlos Rogers SF 61.9
10 Brent Grimes ATL 62.9

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-2011-numbers/

QBREES9 04-01-2012 02:41 PM
Bleacherreport.com Butt Elbow

|Mitch| 04-01-2012 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 394240)
Patrick Robinson is a good CB if you think allowing every pass to be completed to his man. I mean he had what, 3 passes defensed the whole freakin year?
47 tackles, 4 interceptions, 15 passes defended; I'd say that's pretty decent numbers considering

alleycat_126 04-01-2012 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 394231)
hopefully Flajole will press the fact that it's okay to wrap up... back to basics :doh:
With the key word being press, as in PRESS coverage not 15 yards away from the recievers:smile:

alleycat_126 04-01-2012 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 394266)
I'm convinced its not Marlboros your smoking.

Patrick Robinson was the 7th best rated CB in the entire league at opposing QB rating.

Rank Name Team NFL Rating
1 Darrelle Revis NYJ 45.6
2 Asante Samuel PHI 52.4
3 Chris Gamble CAR 53.3
4 Ike Taylor PIT 54.8
5 Lardarius Webb BLT 56.2
6 Richard Sherman SEA 57.3
7 Patrick Robinson NO 59.3
8 Brandon Carr KC 61.7
9 Carlos Rogers SF 61.9
10 Brent Grimes ATL 62.9

Cornerbacks: A Glance at the 2011 Numbers | ProFootballFocus.com
Ease back Danno, I like Robinson don't get me wrong ( although to be honest I like Johnny Patrick better if he can stay healthy) Forgive me if I'm not the first to the drink station to get the Robinson "Root Beer" ( kool aid would have done if his last name weren't Robinson). If he becomes that first round steal like you suggest I will probably be more open to it though! BTW do you think they already know Jabari will get injured at somepoint this season and that's why there working out the Falcons corner.

|Mitch| 04-01-2012 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 394277)
BTW do you think they already know Jabari will get injured at somepoint this season and that's why there working out the Falcons corner.
I see it as just looking for depth; we lost Porter and most likely Torrence will not be resigned.

Rugby Saint II 04-01-2012 03:23 PM
Greer is our number one for a reason. He covers well usually makes tackles and is always the first there in support. He makes the uniform look good. Patrick and Patrick are worth about the same to me .jmho

Danno 04-01-2012 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 394277)
Ease back Danno, I like Robinson don't get me wrong ( although to be honest I like Johnny Patrick better if he can stay healthy) Forgive me if I'm not the first to the drink station to get the Robinson "Root Beer" ( kool aid would have done if his last name weren't Robinson).

If he becomes that first round steal like you suggest I will probably be more open to it though! BTW do you think they already know Jabari will get injured at somepoint this season and that's why there working out the Falcons corner.
Those aren't my stats.

I don't think I ever called him a 1st round steal did I? I'll have to check. Besides, can pick 32 really be considered a 1st round steal?

I don't get the Kool-aid and Robinson connection. What am I missing?

iceshack149 04-01-2012 06:30 PM
I could've sworn I saw a lot of people calling him a bum and wanted him cut in the first half of the season last year.

I like the guy but I can't consider him to be better than Greer just yet. Greer was solid last year and Robinson showed some flashes for sure.
There is a reason that the Saints didn't appear to make an offer to Porter. That leads me to believe that not only was Robinson better than Porter in the Saints eyes, Patrick was as well.

goguxxx 04-02-2012 12:39 AM
Imo it was all GW fault... placing corners 5 yards back on 3rd and 2 wtf !
And Robinson had 4 picks last year,way more than the team average,so cant complain.I cant forget Steve Smith jumping over the head of Greer then going for a touchdown ... cmon Steve Smith is a dwarf


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