Are we set at safety?

|Mitch| · 04-10-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by NuNu318

S Tanard Jackson just released by the Bucs. Now he did get released because he failed his physical. He is still recovering from shoulder surgery and his agent says he should be healed by the end of the offseason. Does anyone think he's worth taking a flyer on at least for depth purposes?

If he was cut because he failed a physical, but has to pass one for the Saints to sign him. How is that going to work?

Danno · 04-10-2012, 02:56 PM

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Budsdrinker · 04-10-2012, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

If he was cut because he failed a physical, but has to pass one for the Saints to sign him. How is that going to work?

He should be good to go by June but he has had drug problems in the past. He was due $2 million this year plus bonuses every game he was on the roster. Might be worth a look see.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-10-2012, 04:36 PM

I guess I'll have to be the one to make the obvious point. Next year we are going to have a new defensive scheme with a new coordinator. There are absolutely no guarantees that Spags is going to use Harper the same way that Williams did. If Spags expects his SS to be locked up with a TE in coverage 80% of the time, then Harper may not be the right fit.

The question is what does the scheme look like next year. What safety we need will depend on that answer.

SFIAH

saintfan · 04-10-2012, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Dope smoker. Pass

Why you hatin' bro? Or did you just mean "Pass" as in, you know...pass it to the left? LOL

FinSaint · 04-10-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I guess I'll have to be the one to make the obvious point. Next year we are going to have a new defensive scheme with a new coordinator. There are absolutely no guarantees that Spags is going to use Harper the same way that Williams did. If Spags expects his SS to be locked up with a TE in coverage 80% of the time, then Harper may not be the right fit.

The question is what does the scheme look like next year. What safety we need will depend on that answer.

SFIAH

Well, Spags has to find a way to best utilize Harper's particular skill-set, because if he isn't suspended - he'll be a starter at SS, the contract he received last off-season makes that inevitable because they won't be able to move him.

gandhi1007 · 04-10-2012, 08:15 PM

Why is everyone worried about Harper? Harper played well. What we should be worried about is Jenkins. Jenkins regressed last year & got beat like a drum.......repeatedly.

LBCutta · 04-10-2012, 08:45 PM

Harper thrived because GW blitzed 489567897326485902 times a game. And he looks like my 10 year old daughter in pass coverage. I think we could afford to invest in a SS in the near future. On the other hand, I think Jenkins will be fine

gandhi1007 · 04-10-2012, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by KingCutta

Harper thrived because GW blitzed 489567897326485902 times a game. And he looks like my 10 year old daughter in pass coverage. I think we could afford to invest in a SS in the near future. On the other hand, I think Jenkins will be fine

Harper is a SS. A SS primary function is to stop the run 1st, drop back in coverage second. A SS should be a solid tackler. I'd say Harper excells at both stopping the run, blitzing, & tackling.

Jenkins is a FS. The free safety is the last line of defense on the football field. He's definitely more of a pass-minded defender. His job is to sit back, survey, and attack where needed. He supports the run, but not so much as a SS.

With that defined for you, I'd say Harper did his job. Jenkins got beat alot.....a whole lot! Do I think that defines Jenkins as a FS.....NO. I think he had an off year. That said.....I don't see why everyone is so worried about Harper. He did his job. There is a reason he made the Pro Bowl....again. That's probably why alot of other teams have been trying to get him too (like the Giants, etc...) Jenkins, on the other hand, needs to step it up a notch & learn how to tackle.

LBCutta · 04-10-2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Harper is a SS. A SS primary function is to stop the run 1st, drop back in coverage second. A SS should be a solid tackler. I'd say Harper excells at both stopping the run, blitzing, & tackling.

Jenkins is a FS. The free safety is the last line of defense on the football field. He's definitely more of a pass-minded defender. His job is to sit back, survey, and attack where needed. He supports the run, but not so much as a SS.

With that defined for you, I'd say Harper did his job. Jenkins got beat alot.....a whole lot! Do I think that defines Jenkins as a FS.....NO. I think he had an off year. That said.....I don't see why everyone is so worried about Harper. He did his job. There is a reason he made the Pro Bowl....again. That's probably why alot of other teams have been trying to get him too (like the Giants, etc...) Jenkins, on the other hand, needs to step it up a notch & learn how to tackle.

Trust me I know the roles of a Safety. I was a FS in High School and College. But when every QB in the NFL knows that you are terrible in pass coverage it tends to get exploited. I know the SS is the weaker of the 2 in coverage but the majority of SS are at least decent in coverage when need be. Not Harper. He misses his fare share of open field tackles (along with 75% of the other players on our defense). I think in crucial points of the game he becomes a liability on the field.

04-10-2012, 02:33 PM	#21
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by NuNu318 S Tanard Jackson just released by the Bucs. Now he did get released because he failed his physical. He is still recovering from shoulder surgery and his agent says he should be healed by the end of the offseason. Does anyone think he's worth taking a flyer on at least for depth purposes? If he was cut because he failed a physical, but has to pass one for the Saints to sign him. How is that going to work?

04-10-2012, 02:56 PM	#22
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04-10-2012, 02:58 PM	#23
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| If he was cut because he failed a physical, but has to pass one for the Saints to sign him. How is that going to work? He should be good to go by June but he has had drug problems in the past. He was due $2 million this year plus bonuses every game he was on the roster. Might be worth a look see.

04-10-2012, 04:44 PM	#25
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno Dope smoker. Pass Why you hatin' bro? Or did you just mean "Pass" as in, you know...pass it to the left? LOL Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-10-2012, 06:25 PM	#26
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I guess I'll have to be the one to make the obvious point. Next year we are going to have a new defensive scheme with a new coordinator. There are absolutely no guarantees that Spags is going to use Harper the same way that Williams did. If Spags expects his SS to be locked up with a TE in coverage 80% of the time, then Harper may not be the right fit. The question is what does the scheme look like next year. What safety we need will depend on that answer. SFIAH Well, Spags has to find a way to best utilize Harper's particular skill-set, because if he isn't suspended - he'll be a starter at SS, the contract he received last off-season makes that inevitable because they won't be able to move him.

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04-10-2012, 04:36 PM	#24
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,774	I guess I'll have to be the one to make the obvious point. Next year we are going to have a new defensive scheme with a new coordinator. There are absolutely no guarantees that Spags is going to use Harper the same way that Williams did. If Spags expects his SS to be locked up with a TE in coverage 80% of the time, then Harper may not be the right fit. The question is what does the scheme look like next year. What safety we need will depend on that answer. SFIAH

04-10-2012, 08:15 PM	#27
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Why is everyone worried about Harper? Harper played well. What we should be worried about is Jenkins. Jenkins regressed last year & got beat like a drum.......repeatedly.

04-10-2012, 08:45 PM	#28
LBCutta 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Killeen, TX....Born in Marrero, LA Posts: 592	Harper thrived because GW blitzed 489567897326485902 times a game. And he looks like my 10 year old daughter in pass coverage. I think we could afford to invest in a SS in the near future. On the other hand, I think Jenkins will be fine jeanpierre and NuNu318 like this.

04-10-2012, 09:04 PM	#29
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by KingCutta Harper thrived because GW blitzed 489567897326485902 times a game. And he looks like my 10 year old daughter in pass coverage. I think we could afford to invest in a SS in the near future. On the other hand, I think Jenkins will be fine Harper is a SS. A SS primary function is to stop the run 1st, drop back in coverage second. A SS should be a solid tackler. I'd say Harper excells at both stopping the run, blitzing, & tackling. Jenkins is a FS. The free safety is the last line of defense on the football field. He's definitely more of a pass-minded defender. His job is to sit back, survey, and attack where needed. He supports the run, but not so much as a SS. With that defined for you, I'd say Harper did his job. Jenkins got beat alot.....a whole lot! Do I think that defines Jenkins as a FS.....NO. I think he had an off year. That said.....I don't see why everyone is so worried about Harper. He did his job. There is a reason he made the Pro Bowl....again. That's probably why alot of other teams have been trying to get him too (like the Giants, etc...) Jenkins, on the other hand, needs to step it up a notch & learn how to tackle.
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04-10-2012, 09:17 PM	#30
LBCutta 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Killeen, TX....Born in Marrero, LA Posts: 592	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Harper is a SS. A SS primary function is to stop the run 1st, drop back in coverage second. A SS should be a solid tackler. I'd say Harper excells at both stopping the run, blitzing, & tackling. Jenkins is a FS. The free safety is the last line of defense on the football field. He's definitely more of a pass-minded defender. His job is to sit back, survey, and attack where needed. He supports the run, but not so much as a SS. With that defined for you, I'd say Harper did his job. Jenkins got beat alot.....a whole lot! Do I think that defines Jenkins as a FS.....NO. I think he had an off year. That said.....I don't see why everyone is so worried about Harper. He did his job. There is a reason he made the Pro Bowl....again. That's probably why alot of other teams have been trying to get him too (like the Giants, etc...) Jenkins, on the other hand, needs to step it up a notch & learn how to tackle. Trust me I know the roles of a Safety. I was a FS in High School and College. But when every QB in the NFL knows that you are terrible in pass coverage it tends to get exploited. I know the SS is the weaker of the 2 in coverage but the majority of SS are at least decent in coverage when need be. Not Harper. He misses his fare share of open field tackles (along with 75% of the other players on our defense). I think in crucial points of the game he becomes a liability on the field. jeanpierre likes this.

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