Dunta Robinson Scouting Report

chRxis · 04-17-2004, 09:58 PM

really... interesting, because i don\'t think he was. in fact, most \"mock\" drafts done by \"experts\" didn\'t even have him in the first round. strait was the hot commodity as far as corners go.

chRxis · 04-17-2004, 10:02 PM

would you not agree that GM\'s and coaches (front office types) make to much over combine results? i don\'t agree with this stance of selecting future players. any college player can go out in a pair of shorts and run real fast, jump real high, and lift a lot of weight, but that doesn\'t automatically transpire into being a good player. like i said earlier, this kid may be the next deion, but i wouldn\'t let his combine effort sway me to thinking that.

JimBone · 04-17-2004, 10:35 PM

any college player can go out in a pair of shorts and run real fast, jump real high, and lift a lot of weight

Not true, Chad Hess plays Lacrosse for Nicholls State University and he cant run fast, jump real high, or lift a lot of weight...but he is good at Lacrosse...and they play in shorts....and...well, i dont even know if he is good at lacrosse or not...i just know he plays.

chRxis · 04-17-2004, 10:50 PM

he\'s from nicholls... that\'s why

JimBone · 04-17-2004, 10:51 PM

thats harsh.

Chris Thompson is from Nicholls and he is a 5th round prospect.
He is tall and good.

Boogro · 04-17-2004, 10:59 PM

any college player can go out in a pair of shorts and run real fast, jump real high, and lift a lot of weight

Not true, Chad Hess plays Lacrosse for Nicholls State University and he cant run fast, jump real high, or lift a lot of weight...but he is good at Lacrosse...and they play in shorts....and...well, i dont even know if he is good at lacrosse or not...i just know he plays.

He\'s also a kick-ass football player, but that\'s what he\'s about

no_cloning · 04-18-2004, 10:43 AM

would you not agree that GM\'s and coaches (front office types) make to much over combine results?

That\'s what you are implying. I don\'t believe they do. They look at film (lots of film) and listen to their scouting department that hopefully saw those guys play. I remember Randy Mueller saying that the combine mostly was for medical examinations and interviews to get to know the players better. The times and numbers are mostly for show (i.e. media). The overwhelming majority of GMs takes this approach IMHO.
You can maybe create interest with a really fast 40 or 3-cone-drill time, but then it\'s back to the film room. If you can\'t back it up, good numbers won\'t help. Robinson is a legitimate first rounder. You might not agree with the players the Saints draft (and that\'s the same for fans of all teams), but give the coaches and GMs a little more respect in this area. They do not just look at numbers.

spanky86604 · 04-18-2004, 12:57 PM

Weel said Clon, I couldn\'t have said it better myself. As far as Mr. Hess goes, I actually hear he has gotten faster but still can\'t jump high. Oh sure, he knows what people think about him. It\'s like Chad, he\'s like just this kickass lacrossee player. Ya know he also play Madden by the way, but thats like not all that he is ya know. I mean it really bothers me when people try to piegon hole him like that.

chRxis · 04-18-2004, 01:30 PM

whiat i was implying is that sometimes coaches and GM\'s can get a little swayed in decision making due to elevated times and lifts. we have a prime example, donte \"streetclothes\". this guy wasn\'t even the best WR on his college team, but when he outran his own shadow at the combine, he instantly rose to the top of the board. everyone, especially the Saints, conviently overlooked the fact that he has had constant injuries since high school (hamstrings). do i think they should have taken stallworth. no, lelie was healthy and just as fast and bigger. but now we\'re stuck with a guy who doesn\'t suit up every weekend, mostly because he\'s hurt or if he\'s not hurt, he\'s scared to get hurt again, and we\'re stuck with him because he ran a 4.2 forty.

JimBone · 04-18-2004, 01:35 PM

Lelie isnt exaclty lighting it up either...also, you pointed out how healthy he was in college...and that is correct...but he has been all the time in Denver. You never really know what is gonna happen. Donte wasnt drafted solely because of his workout either. He was drafted to be a gamebreaker...and when he is on the field, no one can deny the fact that he is one. He makes plays when he\'s not cheering on the sideline.

04-17-2004, 09:58 PM	#21
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report really... interesting, because i don\'t think he was. in fact, most \"mock\" drafts done by \"experts\" didn\'t even have him in the first round. strait was the hot commodity as far as corners go.

04-17-2004, 10:02 PM	#22
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report would you not agree that GM\'s and coaches (front office types) make to much over combine results? i don\'t agree with this stance of selecting future players. any college player can go out in a pair of shorts and run real fast, jump real high, and lift a lot of weight, but that doesn\'t automatically transpire into being a good player. like i said earlier, this kid may be the next deion, but i wouldn\'t let his combine effort sway me to thinking that.

04-17-2004, 10:35 PM	#23
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report any college player can go out in a pair of shorts and run real fast, jump real high, and lift a lot of weight Not true, Chad Hess plays Lacrosse for Nicholls State University and he cant run fast, jump real high, or lift a lot of weight...but he is good at Lacrosse...and they play in shorts....and...well, i dont even know if he is good at lacrosse or not...i just know he plays.

04-17-2004, 10:50 PM	#24
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report he\'s from nicholls... that\'s why

04-17-2004, 10:51 PM	#25
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report thats harsh. Chris Thompson is from Nicholls and he is a 5th round prospect. He is tall and good.

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04-17-2004, 10:59 PM	#26
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report any college player can go out in a pair of shorts and run real fast, jump real high, and lift a lot of weight Not true, Chad Hess plays Lacrosse for Nicholls State University and he cant run fast, jump real high, or lift a lot of weight...but he is good at Lacrosse...and they play in shorts....and...well, i dont even know if he is good at lacrosse or not...i just know he plays. He\'s also a kick-ass football player, but that\'s what he\'s about

04-18-2004, 10:43 AM	#27
no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report would you not agree that GM\'s and coaches (front office types) make to much over combine results? That\'s what you are implying. I don\'t believe they do. They look at film (lots of film) and listen to their scouting department that hopefully saw those guys play. I remember Randy Mueller saying that the combine mostly was for medical examinations and interviews to get to know the players better. The times and numbers are mostly for show (i.e. media). The overwhelming majority of GMs takes this approach IMHO. You can maybe create interest with a really fast 40 or 3-cone-drill time, but then it\'s back to the film room. If you can\'t back it up, good numbers won\'t help. Robinson is a legitimate first rounder. You might not agree with the players the Saints draft (and that\'s the same for fans of all teams), but give the coaches and GMs a little more respect in this area. They do not just look at numbers.
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04-18-2004, 12:57 PM	#28
spanky86604 Registered Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 38	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report Weel said Clon, I couldn\'t have said it better myself. As far as Mr. Hess goes, I actually hear he has gotten faster but still can\'t jump high. Oh sure, he knows what people think about him. It\'s like Chad, he\'s like just this kickass lacrossee player. Ya know he also play Madden by the way, but thats like not all that he is ya know. I mean it really bothers me when people try to piegon hole him like that.
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04-18-2004, 01:30 PM	#29
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report whiat i was implying is that sometimes coaches and GM\'s can get a little swayed in decision making due to elevated times and lifts. we have a prime example, donte \"streetclothes\". this guy wasn\'t even the best WR on his college team, but when he outran his own shadow at the combine, he instantly rose to the top of the board. everyone, especially the Saints, conviently overlooked the fact that he has had constant injuries since high school (hamstrings). do i think they should have taken stallworth. no, lelie was healthy and just as fast and bigger. but now we\'re stuck with a guy who doesn\'t suit up every weekend, mostly because he\'s hurt or if he\'s not hurt, he\'s scared to get hurt again, and we\'re stuck with him because he ran a 4.2 forty.

04-18-2004, 01:35 PM	#30
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Dunta Robinson Scouting Report Lelie isnt exaclty lighting it up either...also, you pointed out how healthy he was in college...and that is correct...but he has been all the time in Denver. You never really know what is gonna happen. Donte wasnt drafted solely because of his workout either. He was drafted to be a gamebreaker...and when he is on the field, no one can deny the fact that he is one. He makes plays when he\'s not cheering on the sideline.