G. Williams Audio - Wow...

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2012, 12:09 PM

Wow! This Sean Pamphilon guy is actually saying that Gregg Williams WAS ordered to stop what he was doing and he ignored the order.

Among Pamphilon’s observations are that Williams, in the opinion of Pamphilon, isn’t the only coach who has encouraged players to hurt opponents, but he maybe the only one who wouldn’t stop even after he had been warned that he had to.

“Essentially, Gregg Williams is not entirely unique,” Pamphilon writes. “He’s just the one who was arrogant enough to continue when he was told to stop and eventually, he got popped for it.”

He also defends the players:

“It’s a cowards play to send someone off to do your malicious bidding. I’m sure many of his players would have told him this if they weren’t scared to lose their jobs or look like ******* in front of their teammates. Or if they weren’t 25 and couldn’t possibly have a fully developed perspective on life.”

ratchoke99 · 04-05-2012, 12:56 PM

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

What do you want us to do as fans? Call for Payton's head? Stop attending the games? To hell with that. You don't know ****.

RockyMountainSaint · 04-05-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

Hey! Welcome aboard!

You are what's been missing from this site:

A little girl!

saintfan · 04-05-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

How you feel is 100% NOT relevant. Conspiracy? It depends on how you define it, but there are links on NFL.COM RIGHT NOW that will play audio of otherwise celebrated head coaches telling their players to go knock the other guy out.

This whole thing is about protecting the league's money, not the player's safety. You're delusional if you thing any other thing. Period.

And please stop spinning Nancy around on the merry-go-round so fast or we're going to call your mother.

iceshack149 · 04-05-2012, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I've had high school coaches talk tougher than that.

Whats the big deal?

Goodell wasn't the superintendent?

The big deal is that Williams didn't use more discretion. It glaringly apparent that this happens at almost every level of football but this is all about a sanctimonious ruler that fears the upcoming lawsuits from players that didn't know about the effects of the physical sport in which they play.

Make this go away.

xan · 04-05-2012, 10:09 AM

I've heard worse in bible camp.

For the players, it is a zero sum game. One winner, one loser. Any way that a coach can keep a player focusing on the task at hand rather than the possibility that he's one unfortunate angle from being permanently disabled is a good thing. In football, the initiator is not usually the victim.

Ashley · 04-05-2012, 10:10 AM

First, this is a contact sport. The defense has a job. HIT them, they are supposed to stop the man with the ball. This is just a pep talk. Do any of you really thinks he wants to kill a man? Really, you hit the best man hard and send a message. So if he doesn't use an aggressive talk, what is going to say "ok boys lets just make sure the don't score on us. I"ll buy the ice cream after the game"
This is blown so far, it makes me sick.
The GIANTS said the same DAMN thing about Williams in the NFC championship game, they knew about his concussions . They were told to go after his head. And they did, and they admitted to this.
WAKE up people, this is not flag football, but it will be very soon.

QBREES9 · 04-05-2012, 10:11 AM

Another bad day. I can't believe this at all. This is just sick.

Ashley · 04-05-2012, 10:12 AM

Ok also this **** needs to be said for boxing, Ok we know he has a concussion, so lets just use body shots for eight rounds.

04-05-2012, 03:19 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,759	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine. GW blatantly instructed his team to 1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems. 2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles. Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams? I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons. In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect. What do you want us to do as fans? Call for Payton's head? Stop attending the games? To hell with that. You don't know ****. iceshack149 and breesfan27 like this.

04-05-2012, 03:22 PM	#4
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine. GW blatantly instructed his team to 1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems. 2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles. Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams? I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons. In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect. Hey! Welcome aboard! You are what's been missing from this site: A little girl! Ashley and breesfan27 like this.

04-05-2012, 03:27 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine. GW blatantly instructed his team to 1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems. 2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles. Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams? I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons. In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect. How you feel is 100% NOT relevant. Conspiracy? It depends on how you define it, but there are links on NFL.COM RIGHT NOW that will play audio of otherwise celebrated head coaches telling their players to go knock the other guy out. This whole thing is about protecting the league's money, not the player's safety. You're delusional if you thing any other thing. Period. And please stop spinning Nancy around on the merry-go-round so fast or we're going to call your mother. breesfan27 likes this.

04-05-2012, 11:51 AM	#6
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,441 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by Danno I've had high school coaches talk tougher than that. Whats the big deal? Goodell wasn't the superintendent? The big deal is that Williams didn't use more discretion. It glaringly apparent that this happens at almost every level of football but this is all about a sanctimonious ruler that fears the upcoming lawsuits from players that didn't know about the effects of the physical sport in which they play. Make this go away.

04-05-2012, 10:10 AM	#8
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	First, this is a contact sport. The defense has a job. HIT them, they are supposed to stop the man with the ball. This is just a pep talk. Do any of you really thinks he wants to kill a man? Really, you hit the best man hard and send a message. So if he doesn't use an aggressive talk, what is going to say "ok boys lets just make sure the don't score on us. I"ll buy the ice cream after the game" This is blown so far, it makes me sick. The GIANTS said the same DAMN thing about Williams in the NFC championship game, they knew about his concussions . They were told to go after his head. And they did, and they admitted to this. WAKE up people, this is not flag football, but it will be very soon.
	I HATE ATLANTA

04-05-2012, 12:09 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,759	Wow! This Sean Pamphilon guy is actually saying that Gregg Williams WAS ordered to stop what he was doing and he ignored the order. Among Pamphilon’s observations are that Williams, in the opinion of Pamphilon, isn’t the only coach who has encouraged players to hurt opponents, but he maybe the only one who wouldn’t stop even after he had been warned that he had to. “Essentially, Gregg Williams is not entirely unique,” Pamphilon writes. “He’s just the one who was arrogant enough to continue when he was told to stop and eventually, he got popped for it.” He also defends the players: “It’s a cowards play to send someone off to do your malicious bidding. I’m sure many of his players would have told him this if they weren’t scared to lose their jobs or look like ******* in front of their teammates. Or if they weren’t 25 and couldn’t possibly have a fully developed perspective on life.”

04-05-2012, 12:56 PM	#2
ratchoke99 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 12	Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine. GW blatantly instructed his team to 1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems. 2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles. Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams? I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons. In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.
ratchoke99 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 12

04-05-2012, 10:09 AM	#7
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	I've heard worse in bible camp. For the players, it is a zero sum game. One winner, one loser. Any way that a coach can keep a player focusing on the task at hand rather than the possibility that he's one unfortunate angle from being permanently disabled is a good thing. In football, the initiator is not usually the victim.

04-05-2012, 10:11 AM	#9
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Another bad day. I can't believe this at all. This is just sick.

04-05-2012, 10:12 AM	#10
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Ok also this **** needs to be said for boxing, Ok we know he has a concussion, so lets just use body shots for eight rounds.

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