G. Williams Audio - Wow...

04-05-2012, 01:56 PM

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

Papa Voodoo · 04-05-2012, 03:18 PM

The man who leaked its conscience was bothering him....I'll buy that for a dollar.

SaintsBro · 04-05-2012, 03:24 PM

So convenient, that this salacious bit of audio just coincidentally found its way into the media, to be released on the same day that the appeals are being heard by Goodelll. After the public sentiment had begun to swing back towards the Saints and Payton, that maybe the penalties were too harsh. This audio exists since January, the bounty scandal has been going on publicly since March 2nd, and after two months this audio just suddenly comes out of the blue NOW, today.

Pretty amazing coincidence.

RockyMountainSaint · 04-05-2012, 03:55 PM

Gregg Williams audio brings back into focus Giants
Back in January, weeks before the word “bounty” meant anything to football fans other than the brand of paper towels used to clean up spilled beer after a garbage-time touchdown allowed the underdog to cover the spread, a pair of Giants players admitted following the NFC title game that part of the strategy was to hit punt returner Kyle Williams in the head.

“The thing is, we knew he had four concussions, so that was our biggest thing, was to take him outta the game,” linebacker Jacquain Williams said at the time regarding Williams, who muffed a punt and fumbled a punt during San Francisco.

“He’s had a lot of concussions,” receiver Devin Thomas said. “We were just like, ‘We gotta put a hit on that guy.’ . . . [Giants reserve safety Tyler] Sash did a great job hitting him early and he looked kind of dazed when he got up. I feel like that made a difference and he coughed it up.”

As Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports explains it, filmmaker Shawn Pamphilon was specifically troubled by the Giants’ remarks, given what Pamphilon heard the night before the Saints played the 49ers in the division round.

“When [Gregg Williams] was talking about the Gore stuff and saying ‘cut off the head,’ I was thinking, ‘That’s a metaphor,’ ” Pamphilon told Silver. “The thing that really got me was when he said the thing about No. 10 and concussions. I thought, ‘Did he just say that?’ That was the red flag for me. And then the comments by the Giants made it hit home even harder.”

What hits home even harder now is the possibility, if not likelihood, that Jacquain Williams and Devin Thomas didn’t come up with the importance of hitting Kyle Williams in the head on their own. In nearly a dozen years of covering the NFL, one thing I’ve learned is that most of the things the players say publicly trace back to something a member of the coaching staff told them.

And so it’s now hard not to wonder whether one or more members of the Giants’ coaching staff were saying the same kind of things that Gregg Williams was saying to the Saints the night before the Giants played the 49ers.

Beastmode · 04-05-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11

I agree completely. Williams did some very good things with the Saints but he was so obsessed with blitzing the opposing teams saw it a mile away. We should not have lost that game. It was an atrocious effort on Gregg Williams' part.

Without all those turnovers we do win the game. That's not his fault. I think he did a good job considering the talent he had to work. He committed to putting pressure on Smith and it worked much of the game. Was it great, no, but it was more than enough IMO. Putting his whole career with the Saints on that one drive is extremely critical. He helped us win a lot of games with a bunch of C- to B players and when coach asked him to get the D nasty he did exactly that.

TXGSP · 04-05-2012, 04:18 PM

I haven't heard the audio (not going to at work), but the reference to the "cash sign" as a payment could actually be taken two ways.

1. Incentive payment - how it's currently being portrayed as a "Bounty"
2. Fine Payment - The context could be taken as an offer to assist in paying any possibly fine handed out by the "Ego in the NFL Offices".

Either way the audio is out there and people will spin it to their way of thinking.

The fact the audio was release today of all days appears to be nothing but sensationalism. If they recorded and released this type of item from every team and coach this would be a non-story.

If teams were not required to release injury reports this type of information may not be available to other teams (or the odds makers). So why not look at the system that spawned this behavior - Is the league not responsible enough to see they are partially responsible for this?

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY............

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2012, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

What do you want us to do as fans? Call for Payton's head? Stop attending the games? To hell with that. You don't know ****.

RockyMountainSaint · 04-05-2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

Hey! Welcome aboard!

You are what's been missing from this site:

A little girl!

AlaskaSaints · 04-05-2012, 04:25 PM

Go away, Troll. This is an internal matter.

We'll take care of whatever team you come from when that time comes.

Alaska

AlaskaSaints · 04-05-2012, 04:27 PM

Media blackout in lockerrooms.

There. Problem solved. Should have known better than to allow that to happen.

Alaska

04-05-2012, 01:56 PM	#31
Threaded by ratchoke99 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 12 Rating: (0 votes - average) Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine. GW blatantly instructed his team to 1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems. 2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles. Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams? I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons. In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.
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04-05-2012, 03:24 PM	#33
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	So convenient, that this salacious bit of audio just coincidentally found its way into the media, to be released on the same day that the appeals are being heard by Goodelll. After the public sentiment had begun to swing back towards the Saints and Payton, that maybe the penalties were too harsh. This audio exists since January, the bounty scandal has been going on publicly since March 2nd, and after two months this audio just suddenly comes out of the blue NOW, today. Pretty amazing coincidence. neugey likes this.

04-05-2012, 03:55 PM	#34
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Gregg Williams audio brings back into focus Giants Back in January, weeks before the word “bounty” meant anything to football fans other than the brand of paper towels used to clean up spilled beer after a garbage-time touchdown allowed the underdog to cover the spread, a pair of Giants players admitted following the NFC title game that part of the strategy was to hit punt returner Kyle Williams in the head. “The thing is, we knew he had four concussions, so that was our biggest thing, was to take him outta the game,” linebacker Jacquain Williams said at the time regarding Williams, who muffed a punt and fumbled a punt during San Francisco. “He’s had a lot of concussions,” receiver Devin Thomas said. “We were just like, ‘We gotta put a hit on that guy.’ . . . [Giants reserve safety Tyler] Sash did a great job hitting him early and he looked kind of dazed when he got up. I feel like that made a difference and he coughed it up.” As Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports explains it, filmmaker Shawn Pamphilon was specifically troubled by the Giants’ remarks, given what Pamphilon heard the night before the Saints played the 49ers in the division round. “When [Gregg Williams] was talking about the Gore stuff and saying ‘cut off the head,’ I was thinking, ‘That’s a metaphor,’ ” Pamphilon told Silver. “The thing that really got me was when he said the thing about No. 10 and concussions. I thought, ‘Did he just say that?’ That was the red flag for me. And then the comments by the Giants made it hit home even harder.” What hits home even harder now is the possibility, if not likelihood, that Jacquain Williams and Devin Thomas didn’t come up with the importance of hitting Kyle Williams in the head on their own. In nearly a dozen years of covering the NFL, one thing I’ve learned is that most of the things the players say publicly trace back to something a member of the coaching staff told them. And so it’s now hard not to wonder whether one or more members of the Giants’ coaching staff were saying the same kind of things that Gregg Williams was saying to the Saints the night before the Giants played the 49ers.
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04-05-2012, 04:09 PM	#35
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 I agree completely. Williams did some very good things with the Saints but he was so obsessed with blitzing the opposing teams saw it a mile away. We should not have lost that game. It was an atrocious effort on Gregg Williams' part. Without all those turnovers we do win the game. That's not his fault. I think he did a good job considering the talent he had to work. He committed to putting pressure on Smith and it worked much of the game. Was it great, no, but it was more than enough IMO. Putting his whole career with the Saints on that one drive is extremely critical. He helped us win a lot of games with a bunch of C- to B players and when coach asked him to get the D nasty he did exactly that.
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04-05-2012, 04:18 PM	#36
TXGSP LET MY TEAM GO! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Just north of COWGAL HELL Posts: 296	I haven't heard the audio (not going to at work), but the reference to the "cash sign" as a payment could actually be taken two ways. 1. Incentive payment - how it's currently being portrayed as a "Bounty" 2. Fine Payment - The context could be taken as an offer to assist in paying any possibly fine handed out by the "Ego in the NFL Offices". Either way the audio is out there and people will spin it to their way of thinking. The fact the audio was release today of all days appears to be nothing but sensationalism. If they recorded and released this type of item from every team and coach this would be a non-story. If teams were not required to release injury reports this type of information may not be available to other teams (or the odds makers). So why not look at the system that spawned this behavior - Is the league not responsible enough to see they are partially responsible for this? IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY............
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04-05-2012, 03:18 PM	#32
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	The man who leaked its conscience was bothering him....I'll buy that for a dollar.

04-05-2012, 04:19 PM	#37
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine. GW blatantly instructed his team to 1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems. 2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles. Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams? I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons. In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect. What do you want us to do as fans? Call for Payton's head? Stop attending the games? To hell with that. You don't know ****. iceshack149 and breesfan27 like this.

04-05-2012, 04:22 PM	#38
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine. GW blatantly instructed his team to 1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems. 2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles. Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams? I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons. In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect. Hey! Welcome aboard! You are what's been missing from this site: A little girl! Ashley and breesfan27 like this.

04-05-2012, 04:25 PM	#39
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Go away, Troll. This is an internal matter. We'll take care of whatever team you come from when that time comes. Alaska

04-05-2012, 04:27 PM	#40
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Media blackout in lockerrooms. There. Problem solved. Should have known better than to allow that to happen. Alaska saintfan likes this.

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