ratchoke99

[quote=ChrisXVI;395414]There isn't enough evidence for that as of yet. But to also ignore the fact that GW WAS indeed paying people to inflict injuries, is pretty naive to think no one received that money......

It has been proven and stated by the NFL that they were paying players to inflict serious injuries to other players. The NFL holds NO obligation to release WHO received that money as of yet, especially since no player punishments have been handed out 'yet'.

And please, don't try to misinterpret my post as gloating, or wishing harm to the franchise. I'm simply trying to bring to the attention to the NO fan-base, that trying to defend the acts that GW has been accused and proven of doing, is just ignorant and classless.

ChrisXVI

[quote=ratchoke99;395417]So there isn't enough evidence yet but you say he WAS indeed paying players and that it's been proven by the NFL??? Contradiction. Every team's defense has cash incentives for making big plays, but you're implying that Saints players DID commit personal fouls that injured other players and received money for it. I'm just asking who?

ratchoke99

[quote=ChrisXVI;395421]I am talking about EVIDENCE given to the PUBLIC, because you asked me to name someone. Goodell has already said THEY have credible evidence of players and payouts. So be patient, and we can come back to that topic another time if you really want to. But I don't think you'll like the outcome.

ChrisXVI

[quote=ratchoke99;395422]They have evidence of players paying in money... but the evidence of it actually coming to fruition was seen every Sunday on the field. NO Saints player had a personal foul penalty that knocked an opposing player out of the game. You seem to be confusing the idea with it actually happening on the field. If any Saints player gets punished it will be for contributing money to the fund, not for actually "intentionally injuring" anybody as you state has been proven somehow. Watch the actual games.

Halo

I don't know of hardly any Saints fans defending Gregg Williams. In fact Gregg Williams and the Saints parted ways this offseason. Gregg Williams is not welcome in New Orleans.

My question is - if Gregg Williams is the culprit and he was banned indefinitely from the NFL (will eventually be reinstated), then why is Sean Payton's name being drug through the mud daily and hourly?

Because it happened while he was head coach?
Did Sean Payton knowingly allow it?
Did Sean Payton give the order to do it? I dunno, I hear Gregg Williams was the culprit.

So far 3 punishments were handed down:

1) The Saints lose their head coach for a season and GM for half the season

2) The Rams lose their Defensive Coordinator - Gregg Williams

3) Gregg Williams who was banned indefinitely from the NFL. Can go Coach in College, the CFL or anywhere he wants to.

No ONE has EVER PUT A MIC in his face or called him out.

Why don't you go find Gregg Williams and ask him?
Where is the ire for Gregg Williams?

Don't blame Saints fans, we just don't think it's fair our Head Coach was suspended for an entire seasons WITHOUT CONCRETE EVIDENCE HE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE MATTER!!

SaintsBro

Thank you for coming all the way here to "bring this to our attention." If you weren't such a troll, you would already know that NOBODY here is defending the acts of Gregg Williams. No one of any importance is defending that there were bounties on hurting players. Period, end of story, now jump in the lake. Here's a hint for you: read a forum and get to know it, before you come in and make yourself look stupid there....

We don't need you to piously lecture us about "what Saints fans are thinking" or tell us how ignorant and classless were are, for thinking things that in reality we don't actually think or believe. THAT is half the reason why Saints fans are pissed off -- because jackasses like you and Peter King etc, want to lecture at us, like as if WE fans were the ones paying the bounties, or as if we are errant school children who need paddling or something, just because we are fans of a particular team.

So thank you for the morality lecture and ethics lesson, but don't be surprised when people here don't want to beat themselves on the heads with boards about the bounties, or lash themselves with whips as punishment to atone for what their beloved Saints did. Would that make you happy? Should we cover ourselves in mud, would you like us to call for Payton to be banished to the desert, or stoned to death, would that please your smug and superior sense of morality? Is there a loyalty oath we can sign, that will make us part of the mainstream United States again? Just a friendly GTFO, man, you don't even know what we are talking about here.

News flash: the last THREE Super Bowl winners, in a row, recently had some kind of bounties or at the very least a specific agenda to specifically target and INJURE specific players. Saints, Packers (admitted to bounties in 2007), and now the Giants. That DOESN'T EQUATE to Saints fans thinking it's "okay" to do it. It's not. But if you can't see the hypocrisy in that, that one team was punished while the others were not, well pardon me if I take my tainted Lombardi, and use it like a billy club to wallop some sense into your head. It doesn't make it RIGHT that other people were doing it, it is also WRONG that only one team conveniently got punished for it, mainly for being "arrogant" and "maverick" and all that other bull****.

You stated "very specifically that anyone who IS trying to defend the fact that there were bounties that were given out to injure another player is dumb." Well I hate to break the news to you, but NO ONE HERE is actually really saying that. We Saints fans are pissed off because the rule is not being enforced across the board, only selectively, and because jackasses like YOU keep wanting to lecture at us!