New York Giants admit to doing exactly the same thing as the New Orleans Saints!

PatMcIrish · 04-07-2012, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

And please, stop it with this "The Saints are the only ones doing it because we have no evidence to the contrary". Either you are trying to provoke people, or you really don't know the game you watch.

Always a few that miss the point. Unless making solid points is trying to provoke you, once again you miss the mark. It has nothing to do with what you *think* other teams are doing!? It doesn't matter how long you want to beat on the podium and claim you guys are the victims here, it's simply not true. Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. This attempt at minimizing what you've done makes you look bad.

Even if other teams have/had bounty systems in place (which I seriously doubt) it doesn't change anything to do with you guys. I kill my neighbor, a defense of "well two other guys in the neighborhood are murderers as well" just does not cut the mustard! Quit using the "everyone else is doing it" excuse, it plays very badly to intelligent ears. You're the kind of poster that the other fans are talking about, a fan that wants to blame any and everyone else other than the guilty parties!

As for SP, I'm sorry as I know this is a big one we will disagree on but he's just as guilty as GW was in my book. For one thing nobody will ever tell me he didn't know about it. That's not possible. I've played the game, guys talk, guys get excited, guys are going to be fired up about this bounty thing. Players, coaches and everyone else involved aren't going to be under a long-term conspiracy to keep it a secret from the head coach. That's just silly talk.

But even if in the one in a million shot Sean was so blind about what was going on with this team he had no idea, it wouldn't matter. My college gets hit with recruiting violations then the head coach takes it up the rectum as well. That's how it works. Sean hired this guy, he's ultimately responsible for what goes on under his watch. To accept the good things, rings and so on from your DC, but immediately disqualify yourself when things go wrong is ridiculous.

SaintsBro · 04-07-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by PatMcIrish

Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on.

That has already happened, long before you ever got here and began your trolling.

But if it makes you happy to come here as a drive-by poster and piously lecture to us, chastise and scold us, then I'm glad you are able to get a bang out of the schadenfreude. Thank you for the morality lecture, kind Sir. We will promise to keep eating crow, and repeating how miserable and wrong and unethical we Saints fans are, repeating it over and over, until you and every other fan of every other team in the world are finally happy. We will not "move on" until you are satisfied, until YOU give us your approval, and until you are personally ready to allow us to move on. Would you like us to burn Sean Payton in effigy, and you can monitor the proceedings to make sure we are sufficiently contrite and humbled. Is there a loyalty oath or piece of paper we can sign to be allowed to be citizens of the NFL again, in your wise opinion. We are all ethically deviant, just for believing that the Saints aren't the only team on earth who ever had bounties, and we deserve to be fans of a losing team for a long, long time.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-07-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by PatMcIrish

Always a few that miss the point. Unless making solid points is trying to provoke you, once again you miss the mark. It has nothing to do with what you *think* other teams are doing!? It doesn't matter how long you want to beat on the podium and claim you guys are the victims here, it's simply not true. Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. This attempt at minimizing what you've done makes you look bad.

Even if other teams have/had bounty systems in place (which I seriously doubt) it doesn't change anything to do with you guys. I kill my neighbor, a defense of "well two other guys in the neighborhood are murderers as well" just does not cut the mustard! Quit using the "everyone else is doing it" excuse, it plays very badly to intelligent ears. You're the kind of poster that the other fans are talking about, a fan that wants to blame any and everyone else other than the guilty parties!

"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):

New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.

Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube

Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube

"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=R00Sjhp3bbQ

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.

Budsdrinker · 04-10-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):
New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.

Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube
Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube

"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.

Nice job Tobias!

BountyGate · 04-12-2012, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):
New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.

Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube
Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube

"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.

You can't tell the difference between those two hits? On the Favre hit, #93 targets his knees the entire time. Look at where his eyes are -- staring directly at Favre's knees. On the Schaub sack, Allen clearly stumbles, looks at the ground and is basically crawling to try to get the sack. His head is looking down and he even turns so that he only grazes him with the outside shoulder.

SaintsBro · 04-06-2012, 09:22 AM

Pat, people ARE outraged about it.

But there are links all over the internet, including IN THIS THREAD, to actual players admitting about the Giants targeting opposing players for specific injuries (concussions in the 49ers game) and about the Packers having a similar cash bounty program to the Saints in 2007 (it's called Googling something, you should try "Packers bounty 2007" and read). That, including the Saints, means that the last three Super Bowl teams ALL recently had either bounty programs in place, or specific targeting of players with malicious intent to injure. Not to even mention, known past bounty systems in places like Washington, the Ravens, the Titans and others. Where are their fines and suspensions? Where is the investigation of them? Where was Goodell and the league on this issue, before 2010 and the concussion lawsuits? YOU tell me what the league did to crack down on it.

YOU prove it -- YOU prove the league is out there actually investigating these other teams, and not sweeping this whole phenomenon under the rug after "sending a message" to the Saints. YOU show me some other team that is being investigated by the NFL. It's my turn to smugly stand up and yell "Link, please!" like a total *******.

It's not an EXCUSE, dummy. Get a clue, NOBODY is sticking up for bounties and Gregg Williams!!!! What people here are pissed off about, is that these other stories about other teams are not getting ANY media or league attention, and that idiotic people Like you seem to want to come here and smugly lecture Saints fans about morality and ethics, as if WE were the ones who were paying the bounties. News flash. We are not small children. We don't need you to come here and spank us and smugly lecture to us. And yet you're acting LIKE WE ARE the ones who paid the bounties and told the players to target the ACL! Come on, get a clue, man!

PatMcIrish · 04-06-2012, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

But there are links all over the internet, including IN THIS THREAD

Links on the net? That's your evidence?

Wow, just wow.

I understand not wanting to take a stand because other Saint fans might bash you, for some respect is hard to acquire. But for the love of GOD I don't see why at least a few men here wouldn't have the balls to speak out for what happened here.

If it happened on every other team it still wouldn't change a thing. GW and your head coach should never work in the NFL again. EVER! That would be a good start. Nip this crap in the bud before it gets out of hand. I sure expected better from the Saints.

OldMaid · 04-06-2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by PatMcIrish

Links on the net? That's your evidence?

Wow, just wow.

I understand not wanting to take a stand because other Saint fans might bash you, for some respect is hard to acquire. But for the love of GOD I don't see why at least a few men here wouldn't have the balls to speak out for what happened here.

If it happened on every other team it still wouldn't change a thing. GW and your head coach should never work in the NFL again. EVER! That would be a good start. Nip this crap in the bud before it gets out of hand. I sure expected better from the Saints.

You are not making sense.

You are not thinking rationally. Comprehension skills. Maybe you do not know about GW.
GW is not on the Saints' staff.
He was. Saints', ehhh, reading between the lines, let GW go but let him go when he had a good out. GW seemed to have been fired from the Saints but resigned at the same time. One of those deals. Save face. This was after the big SF playoff lost in which the offense came back and bcak and caught back up. Defense , led by GW, did not win. The bountygate thing broke out after the 2011 year was over. Hmmmm seems to me , maye, perhpas reading between the lines, Saints' were informed by Goodell some time ago. We know it has been a investigation for awhile. You don't know of something like this from Goodell overnight.

No, it happening on all other 31 teams would not change the fact, FACT , Saints ' then coach GW did this. Sean P knew and stopped him or did not know GW still did this. I do not know when Sean P knew and what he knew. He did issue a statement to Saints' fans, NFL, football fans, and the to Saint's organization.

For the love of GOD, I do not why you cannot understand this.
Fans here have spoken out. For the umpteeth time, no one is saying this was ok. It was not ok. Thank GOD the Saints, for proof that this bounty was just awful talk, no one can deny, esp. Saints' fans, that the Saints defense has played so-so to poorly. The offense carried the team. Thank God no other teams, as proof for the Saints had players injured , carted off, etc. by Saints. Well, actutally the Saints had one NFL man carted off and in surgery the next day. The man is crippled for life. He has pins, rods and will be able to detect rain coming. That is their own Saint's Coach Sean Payton because the Saints' placed a nasty, illegal hit on him.
Thank God, as proof for the Saints' bountygate was just awful talk, the defense over all these years was not a high ranking defense.
Saints offense has been consistent.

GW is a small fry really. He was a Def. coach, but wasn't a HC. Sean Payton is the big fish here. The head caoch. The boss.
If Benson fired SP after this season , well, SP is not coaching this year anyway, no big deal. There are many teams that would glady take him on as HC. Fans of that team would accept him too.
It is all about the money, honey.

W's vs. L's.

This bounty thing has been nipped in the bud and has gotten out of hand. NFL gave Saint's organization worst and most severe punishment ever. It is still being talked about. I , yeah, being a Saints' fan, consider it over and done. What else can be done? It has been done. The punishments have been handed down.
Belicheck was on NFL Net today saying how sick to his stomach was he when he heard that audio. Umm, Belicheck the cheater is not a very moral NFL man. Murder is ok in the NFL. Drugs are fine. Dog fighting, I cannot even go there.

Oh lets go really someplace really bad. JoPa had a funeral out of this world and he knew of child, CHILD molestation by Sandusky. I know this is not the NFL, but still. Joe Paterno had PennU fans, alumi then and now still hailing him a hero. Yes, great football coach on the field. Off the field, a very immoral man. You have to have it both ways of the saying the bad and the ugly. Sandusky, correct me.,but um, charges were thrown out, reduced the other day. CHILD SEUXAL ABUSE. Bountygate talk vs. this sin that took place for years and years with many powerful on the inside knowing , a sin against nature, God and children, the innocents.
Which is a moral matter here?

In the greater sceam of things NFL, NCAA, bountygate was some really stupid, awful , disgusting talk that was never really, THANK GOD, implemented.
Thank God Saints' never had a person like Shu on defense.

SaintsBro · 04-06-2012, 09:53 AM

Where were you in January when this story broke? Oh that's right, I can see by your join date on the left, you WEREN'T here. Virtually everybody in this forum and every Saints fan I know on Facebook or in person, has already spoken out about it -- believe me, people were horrified and outraged. It doesn't change the fact that you are STILL acting like WE were the ones who were paying the bounties or were supporting it. We are not small children. Thank you for stopping by to deliver the smug morality lesson, but we don't need it, we've already been there and done that. Thank you so much for coming here and spanking us and making us stand in the corner like little children, we really needed that.

OldMaid · 04-06-2012, 10:00 AM

PatMcIrish, like rat99, read. Try reading around here.
No Real Saints ' fans here and around think, hey this was ok.
SB when GWilliams said to media about giving PManning " don't forget me hits " was NOT funny, fun. It was not ok. No one here thought it was funny esp when the Saints had so much on the line. Being the unfavored team. Not being called the legit team. Knowing the league and PTB (powers that be) wanted Old Brett there against PM. Ratings. Money. Match up.

Everyone here is outraged.
No one here is giving Saints a pass.

Ok, did you READ this?
Now, you must learn comprehension skills.
I think problem is that you and rat99 do not have comprehension skills.
That is a big problem with the school children taking the state tests . Many read well enough. They are on tasks with their reading skills, but they cannot comprehend. That is the other half of reading.
Everything is reading. The Math problems are all word problems.

Pat, rat99,
use your RUBIES.
R-read
U-underline
B-
I-
E-
S-

Ok, off my rant.

I hope you understand now.
No one here is saying the Saints should be given a pass if the other teams on record are given a pass.
We are saying, other teams should be punished as well. They are on record.
Hey, I get it though. Saints, small market, no powerful owner, team that got there that was never to make it to the big prize got there and blew out wrong teams and people namely Old Man Brett and PM, ehhh, not good for business.
I get that.
I also get player safety is number one.
Like I said in previous posts, this is a bandaid effect.

People like you and Belicheck is that you don't accept the Saint's punishments no more than we do. Opposite reasons.
Saints' fans think it is too severe and other teams slipped under radar even though they are on record. Ok, Saints ' punishment is done. A done deal. We Saints' fans think it is too severe and other teams on record have slipped by, but now I am thinking, fine. Take this punishment with no appeals.
Fess up. Be the bigger person, team.
Take your bitter pil and chew it. Savor it.
Done. Maybe it is good , a real favor from the league by giving the Saint's the worst puinshment ever in NFL history.
No other fans and teams cannot say the Saints' got no fair punishment for wrong doing.

However, it seems people like you , Belicheck, Colts fans, Falcons fans, other fans wont' be satisfied until Saint's SB is recalled and Saints' team is disbanned.
That aint' happening!!!
Saint's won SB and that season fair and square. They also lost games fair and square too.
Saints' franchise is not going anywhere.

I just hope and pray these Saints' players and coaching staff comes out fighting this year.
Go for broke!
Play every game as if it is a Playoff game or SB. Put up and shut up the rest of the league.
When you get in a situation like this, there is no place to go but up.
Sorry Coach Spags inherited this, but then, I am glad he is the man to have inherited this.
For his career record this can be a good thing. He can add savior to his record. Turn this thing around.

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04-07-2012, 12:51 PM	#1
PatMcIrish Rookie Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 16	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper And please, stop it with this "The Saints are the only ones doing it because we have no evidence to the contrary". Either you are trying to provoke people, or you really don't know the game you watch. Always a few that miss the point. Unless making solid points is trying to provoke you, once again you miss the mark. It has nothing to do with what you think other teams are doing!? It doesn't matter how long you want to beat on the podium and claim you guys are the victims here, it's simply not true. Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. This attempt at minimizing what you've done makes you look bad. Even if other teams have/had bounty systems in place (which I seriously doubt) it doesn't change anything to do with you guys. I kill my neighbor, a defense of "well two other guys in the neighborhood are murderers as well" just does not cut the mustard! Quit using the "everyone else is doing it" excuse, it plays very badly to intelligent ears. You're the kind of poster that the other fans are talking about, a fan that wants to blame any and everyone else other than the guilty parties! As for SP, I'm sorry as I know this is a big one we will disagree on but he's just as guilty as GW was in my book. For one thing nobody will ever tell me he didn't know about it. That's not possible. I've played the game, guys talk, guys get excited, guys are going to be fired up about this bounty thing. Players, coaches and everyone else involved aren't going to be under a long-term conspiracy to keep it a secret from the head coach. That's just silly talk. But even if in the one in a million shot Sean was so blind about what was going on with this team he had no idea, it wouldn't matter. My college gets hit with recruiting violations then the head coach takes it up the rectum as well. That's how it works. Sean hired this guy, he's ultimately responsible for what goes on under his watch. To accept the good things, rings and so on from your DC, but immediately disqualify yourself when things go wrong is ridiculous.
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04-07-2012, 02:03 PM	#2
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by PatMcIrish Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. That has already happened, long before you ever got here and began your trolling. But if it makes you happy to come here as a drive-by poster and piously lecture to us, chastise and scold us, then I'm glad you are able to get a bang out of the schadenfreude. Thank you for the morality lecture, kind Sir. We will promise to keep eating crow, and repeating how miserable and wrong and unethical we Saints fans are, repeating it over and over, until you and every other fan of every other team in the world are finally happy. We will not "move on" until you are satisfied, until YOU give us your approval, and until you are personally ready to allow us to move on. Would you like us to burn Sean Payton in effigy, and you can monitor the proceedings to make sure we are sufficiently contrite and humbled. Is there a loyalty oath or piece of paper we can sign to be allowed to be citizens of the NFL again, in your wise opinion. We are all ethically deviant, just for believing that the Saints aren't the only team on earth who ever had bounties, and we deserve to be fans of a losing team for a long, long time. Tobias-Reiper and SaintPauly like this.

04-10-2012, 09:52 AM	#4
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper "Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears? And I don't think other teams are doing it. Other teams are doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record. But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they think are "solid points". Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is: Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark): New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar. Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube "OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties" Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears. Nice job Tobias!

04-12-2012, 05:45 PM	#5
BountyGate Rookie Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper "Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears? And I don't think other teams are doing it. Other teams are doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record. But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they think are "solid points". Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is: Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark): New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar. Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube "OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties" Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears. You can't tell the difference between those two hits? On the Favre hit, #93 targets his knees the entire time. Look at where his eyes are -- staring directly at Favre's knees. On the Schaub sack, Allen clearly stumbles, looks at the ground and is basically crawling to try to get the sack. His head is looking down and he even turns so that he only grazes him with the outside shoulder.
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04-06-2012, 09:22 AM	#6
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Pat, people ARE outraged about it. But there are links all over the internet, including IN THIS THREAD, to actual players admitting about the Giants targeting opposing players for specific injuries (concussions in the 49ers game) and about the Packers having a similar cash bounty program to the Saints in 2007 (it's called Googling something, you should try "Packers bounty 2007" and read). That, including the Saints, means that the last three Super Bowl teams ALL recently had either bounty programs in place, or specific targeting of players with malicious intent to injure. Not to even mention, known past bounty systems in places like Washington, the Ravens, the Titans and others. Where are their fines and suspensions? Where is the investigation of them? Where was Goodell and the league on this issue, before 2010 and the concussion lawsuits? YOU tell me what the league did to crack down on it. YOU prove it -- YOU prove the league is out there actually investigating these other teams, and not sweeping this whole phenomenon under the rug after "sending a message" to the Saints. YOU show me some other team that is being investigated by the NFL. It's my turn to smugly stand up and yell "Link, please!" like a total *******. It's not an EXCUSE, dummy. Get a clue, NOBODY is sticking up for bounties and Gregg Williams!!!! What people here are pissed off about, is that these other stories about other teams are not getting ANY media or league attention, and that idiotic people Like you seem to want to come here and smugly lecture Saints fans about morality and ethics, as if WE were the ones who were paying the bounties. News flash. We are not small children. We don't need you to come here and spank us and smugly lecture to us. And yet you're acting LIKE WE ARE the ones who paid the bounties and told the players to target the ACL! Come on, get a clue, man! Halo, G504, ScottF and 1 others like this.

04-06-2012, 09:27 AM	#7
PatMcIrish Rookie Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 16	Originally Posted by SaintsBro But there are links all over the internet, including IN THIS THREAD Links on the net? That's your evidence? Wow, just wow. I understand not wanting to take a stand because other Saint fans might bash you, for some respect is hard to acquire. But for the love of GOD I don't see why at least a few men here wouldn't have the balls to speak out for what happened here. If it happened on every other team it still wouldn't change a thing. GW and your head coach should never work in the NFL again. EVER! That would be a good start. Nip this crap in the bud before it gets out of hand. I sure expected better from the Saints.
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04-06-2012, 11:22 AM	#8
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,918 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by PatMcIrish Links on the net? That's your evidence? Wow, just wow. I understand not wanting to take a stand because other Saint fans might bash you, for some respect is hard to acquire. But for the love of GOD I don't see why at least a few men here wouldn't have the balls to speak out for what happened here. If it happened on every other team it still wouldn't change a thing. GW and your head coach should never work in the NFL again. EVER! That would be a good start. Nip this crap in the bud before it gets out of hand. I sure expected better from the Saints. You are not making sense. You are not thinking rationally. Comprehension skills. Maybe you do not know about GW. GW is not on the Saints' staff. He was. Saints', ehhh, reading between the lines, let GW go but let him go when he had a good out. GW seemed to have been fired from the Saints but resigned at the same time. One of those deals. Save face. This was after the big SF playoff lost in which the offense came back and bcak and caught back up. Defense , led by GW, did not win. The bountygate thing broke out after the 2011 year was over. Hmmmm seems to me , maye, perhpas reading between the lines, Saints' were informed by Goodell some time ago. We know it has been a investigation for awhile. You don't know of something like this from Goodell overnight. No, it happening on all other 31 teams would not change the fact, FACT , Saints ' then coach GW did this. Sean P knew and stopped him or did not know GW still did this. I do not know when Sean P knew and what he knew. He did issue a statement to Saints' fans, NFL, football fans, and the to Saint's organization. For the love of GOD, I do not why you cannot understand this. Fans here have spoken out. For the umpteeth time, no one is saying this was ok. It was not ok. Thank GOD the Saints, for proof that this bounty was just awful talk, no one can deny, esp. Saints' fans, that the Saints defense has played so-so to poorly. The offense carried the team. Thank God no other teams, as proof for the Saints had players injured , carted off, etc. by Saints. Well, actutally the Saints had one NFL man carted off and in surgery the next day. The man is crippled for life. He has pins, rods and will be able to detect rain coming. That is their own Saint's Coach Sean Payton because the Saints' placed a nasty, illegal hit on him. Thank God, as proof for the Saints' bountygate was just awful talk, the defense over all these years was not a high ranking defense. Saints offense has been consistent. GW is a small fry really. He was a Def. coach, but wasn't a HC. Sean Payton is the big fish here. The head caoch. The boss. If Benson fired SP after this season , well, SP is not coaching this year anyway, no big deal. There are many teams that would glady take him on as HC. Fans of that team would accept him too. It is all about the money, honey. W's vs. L's. This bounty thing has been nipped in the bud and has gotten out of hand. NFL gave Saint's organization worst and most severe punishment ever. It is still being talked about. I , yeah, being a Saints' fan, consider it over and done. What else can be done? It has been done. The punishments have been handed down. Belicheck was on NFL Net today saying how sick to his stomach was he when he heard that audio. Umm, Belicheck the cheater is not a very moral NFL man. Murder is ok in the NFL. Drugs are fine. Dog fighting, I cannot even go there. Oh lets go really someplace really bad. JoPa had a funeral out of this world and he knew of child, CHILD molestation by Sandusky. I know this is not the NFL, but still. Joe Paterno had PennU fans, alumi then and now still hailing him a hero. Yes, great football coach on the field. Off the field, a very immoral man. You have to have it both ways of the saying the bad and the ugly. Sandusky, correct me.,but um, charges were thrown out, reduced the other day. CHILD SEUXAL ABUSE. Bountygate talk vs. this sin that took place for years and years with many powerful on the inside knowing , a sin against nature, God and children, the innocents. Which is a moral matter here? In the greater sceam of things NFL, NCAA, bountygate was some really stupid, awful , disgusting talk that was never really, THANK GOD, implemented. Thank God Saints' never had a person like Shu on defense.

04-06-2012, 09:53 AM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Where were you in January when this story broke? Oh that's right, I can see by your join date on the left, you WEREN'T here. Virtually everybody in this forum and every Saints fan I know on Facebook or in person, has already spoken out about it -- believe me, people were horrified and outraged. It doesn't change the fact that you are STILL acting like WE were the ones who were paying the bounties or were supporting it. We are not small children. Thank you for stopping by to deliver the smug morality lesson, but we don't need it, we've already been there and done that. Thank you so much for coming here and spanking us and making us stand in the corner like little children, we really needed that. B005TED likes this.

04-06-2012, 10:00 AM	#10
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,918 Blog Entries: 3	PatMcIrish, like rat99, read. Try reading around here. No Real Saints ' fans here and around think, hey this was ok. SB when GWilliams said to media about giving PManning " don't forget me hits " was NOT funny, fun. It was not ok. No one here thought it was funny esp when the Saints had so much on the line. Being the unfavored team. Not being called the legit team. Knowing the league and PTB (powers that be) wanted Old Brett there against PM. Ratings. Money. Match up. Everyone here is outraged. No one here is giving Saints a pass. Ok, did you READ this? Now, you must learn comprehension skills. I think problem is that you and rat99 do not have comprehension skills. That is a big problem with the school children taking the state tests . Many read well enough. They are on tasks with their reading skills, but they cannot comprehend. That is the other half of reading. Everything is reading. The Math problems are all word problems. Pat, rat99, use your RUBIES. R-read U-underline B- I- E- S- Ok, off my rant. I hope you understand now. No one here is saying the Saints should be given a pass if the other teams on record are given a pass. We are saying, other teams should be punished as well. They are on record. Hey, I get it though. Saints, small market, no powerful owner, team that got there that was never to make it to the big prize got there and blew out wrong teams and people namely Old Man Brett and PM, ehhh, not good for business. I get that. I also get player safety is number one. Like I said in previous posts, this is a bandaid effect. People like you and Belicheck is that you don't accept the Saint's punishments no more than we do. Opposite reasons. Saints' fans think it is too severe and other teams slipped under radar even though they are on record. Ok, Saints ' punishment is done. A done deal. We Saints' fans think it is too severe and other teams on record have slipped by, but now I am thinking, fine. Take this punishment with no appeals. Fess up. Be the bigger person, team. Take your bitter pil and chew it. Savor it. Done. Maybe it is good , a real favor from the league by giving the Saint's the worst puinshment ever in NFL history. No other fans and teams cannot say the Saints' got no fair punishment for wrong doing. However, it seems people like you , Belicheck, Colts fans, Falcons fans, other fans wont' be satisfied until Saint's SB is recalled and Saints' team is disbanned. That aint' happening!!! Saint's won SB and that season fair and square. They also lost games fair and square too. Saints' franchise is not going anywhere. I just hope and pray these Saints' players and coaching staff comes out fighting this year. Go for broke! Play every game as if it is a Playoff game or SB. Put up and shut up the rest of the league. When you get in a situation like this, there is no place to go but up. Sorry Coach Spags inherited this, but then, I am glad he is the man to have inherited this. For his career record this can be a good thing. He can add savior to his record. Turn this thing around. B005TED and jokeray like this.

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