Just How is Haz doing ?

saintfan · 04-19-2004, 12:00 PM

These numbers are all from ESPN.COM, so you guys can validate 'em if necessary. I thought I'd take a look at two guys that have coached a team to the Superbowl and compare their numbers to Jim Haslett's over the first 4 years of their careers as a HC. Here's they they stack up. Judge for yourself. If I look at these numbers I come to the conclusion that Haz hasn't done so bad, but you be the judge. Grated, each coach has had different players to work with, and I guarantee Whodat's first comment will be that Haz has had the better players, but lets remember he's ALSO the guy (along with Gator and a few, select others) that doesn't think Haz has a clue in the draft room either. Anway...on to the numbers:

Parcells...first 4 years 83-86...he went 36-27 in 63 games...his career .pct is .582...In 16 years he's been in the playoffs 9 times and out 7, and in three of those 7 he was booted in the first round. In the first 4 yeras he was 5-2 in the playoffs.

Bilichick...first 4 years 91-94...he went 30-33 in 63 games...his career .pct is .521...In 9 years he's been in the playoffs 3 times and out 9. In his first 4 years he was 1-1 in the playoffs.

Haslett...first 4 years 00-03...he went 34-30 in 64 games...his career .pct is .531...In 4 years he's been in the playoffs 1 time and out 3. In his first 4 years he is 1-1 in the playoffs.

Maybe these numbers don't tell you a thing, or maybe Parcells has the edge in playoff wins (obviously), but the overall record for these three men is VERY similar. Haz is 4 games better than Bilichick and a mere 2 games off the pace set by the great Bill Parcells. Just something to chew on as the dog days drag on by.

chRxis · 04-19-2004, 01:34 PM

the big point is the playoff wins. this is what matters. i don\'t care if has-not goes .500 overall for his entire coaching career, but as long as he can consistently make the playoffs and WIN when he gets there, then i might start to warm up to him. i still think he needs to go though.

chRxis · 04-19-2004, 01:36 PM

know what has-not doesn\'t have that both tuna and belichick do have? a championship ring...

saintfan · 04-19-2004, 01:38 PM

Playoff wins can sway an opinion -- I couldn\'t argue that, but Bilichick did no better than Haz playoff-wise in his 1st 4 years either.

saintfan · 04-19-2004, 01:39 PM

know what has-not doesn\'t have that both tuna and belichick do have? a championship ring...

That\'s very true...he\'s doesn\'t have a championship ring...yet.

[Edited on 19/4/2004 by saintfan]

Danno · 04-19-2004, 01:41 PM

Haz reminds me of a mid-round draft pick that did extremely well his 1st season, back down to earth his 2nd and underachieved in year 3 and 4.
The spotlight is now on him and this is the year that determines if he stays or goes.
Right now I give him a 50/50 shot at being here in 2005.

saintfan · 04-19-2004, 01:43 PM

I like the analogy Danno, and I agree. I think Haz could be gone after this year, but I don\'t think he has to win the Superbowl to stay either.

know what has-not doesn\'t have that both tuna and belichick do have? a championship ring...

I almost forgot...Parcells didn\'t win a Superbown in his first 4 years either...just for what it\'s worth.

chRxis · 04-19-2004, 01:45 PM

if has-been and bilichick switched teams for this year (or even last year, for that matter), bilichick would have done better, not b/c of the team but b/c he\'s a better coach. and as far as parcells, he\'s amazing considering if haslett would have been HC in Dallas last year they would have gone 1-15, 2-14 at best.

chRxis · 04-19-2004, 01:46 PM

haslett will NEVER win the superbowl... he\'s just not that great of a coach. yeah, i like the analogy too.

saintfan · 04-19-2004, 01:46 PM

Maybe...and then again maybe not. I\'m just tossing some number up to see what ya\'ll think.

04-19-2004, 12:00 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Just How is Haz doing ? These numbers are all from ESPN.COM, so you guys can validate 'em if necessary. I thought I'd take a look at two guys that have coached a team to the Superbowl and compare their numbers to Jim Haslett's over the first 4 years of their careers as a HC. Here's they they stack up. Judge for yourself. If I look at these numbers I come to the conclusion that Haz hasn't done so bad, but you be the judge. Grated, each coach has had different players to work with, and I guarantee Whodat's first comment will be that Haz has had the better players, but lets remember he's ALSO the guy (along with Gator and a few, select others) that doesn't think Haz has a clue in the draft room either. Anway...on to the numbers: Parcells...first 4 years 83-86...he went 36-27 in 63 games...his career .pct is .582...In 16 years he's been in the playoffs 9 times and out 7, and in three of those 7 he was booted in the first round. In the first 4 yeras he was 5-2 in the playoffs. Bilichick...first 4 years 91-94...he went 30-33 in 63 games...his career .pct is .521...In 9 years he's been in the playoffs 3 times and out 9. In his first 4 years he was 1-1 in the playoffs. Haslett...first 4 years 00-03...he went 34-30 in 64 games...his career .pct is .531...In 4 years he's been in the playoffs 1 time and out 3. In his first 4 years he is 1-1 in the playoffs. Maybe these numbers don't tell you a thing, or maybe Parcells has the edge in playoff wins (obviously), but the overall record for these three men is VERY similar. Haz is 4 games better than Bilichick and a mere 2 games off the pace set by the great Bill Parcells. Just something to chew on as the dog days drag on by.

04-19-2004, 01:34 PM	#2
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Just How is Haz doing ? the big point is the playoff wins. this is what matters. i don\'t care if has-not goes .500 overall for his entire coaching career, but as long as he can consistently make the playoffs and WIN when he gets there, then i might start to warm up to him. i still think he needs to go though.

04-19-2004, 01:36 PM	#3
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Just How is Haz doing ? know what has-not doesn\'t have that both tuna and belichick do have? a championship ring...

04-19-2004, 01:38 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Just How is Haz doing ? Playoff wins can sway an opinion -- I couldn\'t argue that, but Bilichick did no better than Haz playoff-wise in his 1st 4 years either.

04-19-2004, 01:39 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Just How is Haz doing ? know what has-not doesn\'t have that both tuna and belichick do have? a championship ring... That\'s very true...he\'s doesn\'t have a championship ring...yet. [Edited on 19/4/2004 by saintfan]

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Just How is Haz doing ? Haz reminds me of a mid-round draft pick that did extremely well his 1st season, back down to earth his 2nd and underachieved in year 3 and 4. The spotlight is now on him and this is the year that determines if he stays or goes. Right now I give him a 50/50 shot at being here in 2005.

04-19-2004, 01:43 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Just How is Haz doing ? I like the analogy Danno, and I agree. I think Haz could be gone after this year, but I don\'t think he has to win the Superbowl to stay either. know what has-not doesn\'t have that both tuna and belichick do have? a championship ring... I almost forgot...Parcells didn\'t win a Superbown in his first 4 years either...just for what it\'s worth.

04-19-2004, 01:45 PM	#8
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Just How is Haz doing ? if has-been and bilichick switched teams for this year (or even last year, for that matter), bilichick would have done better, not b/c of the team but b/c he\'s a better coach. and as far as parcells, he\'s amazing considering if haslett would have been HC in Dallas last year they would have gone 1-15, 2-14 at best.

04-19-2004, 01:46 PM	#9
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Just How is Haz doing ? haslett will NEVER win the superbowl... he\'s just not that great of a coach. yeah, i like the analogy too.

04-19-2004, 01:46 PM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Just How is Haz doing ? Maybe...and then again maybe not. I\'m just tossing some number up to see what ya\'ll think.