Question for the Forum

[WhoDat!656]

Originally Posted by Danno

It costs the people involved millions. Payton is losing 7 million alone.


There really isn't a connection between the bounty deterrents and the 2012 Saints.

The bounty deterrent are obviously meant to put the Saints at a disadvantage.

If the 2012 Saints, for the sake of argument, win the Super Bowl, then doesn't that mean the punishments meted out by Goodell and the league, failed?

[saintsfan1976]

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The bounty deterrent are obviously meant to put the Saints at a disadvantage.

If the 2012 Saints, for the sake of argument, win the Super Bowl, then doesn't that mean the punishments meted out by Goodell and the league, failed?

No. Those involved were not suspended to net any result other than the suspension itself (loss of income, overall participation included).

If James Harrison is suspended 1 game and the Steelers win, did the suspension fail?

[WhoDat!656]

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

No. Those involved were not suspended to net any result other than the suspension itself (loss of income, overall participation included).

If James Harrison is suspended 1 game and the Steelers win, did the suspension fail?

Apples & oranges comparison.

How is suspending one player similiar to suspending a HC for a year, GM for 8 games, another coach for 6 games, and the potential suspensions of 22-27 defensive players?

[saintsfan1976]

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Apples & oranges comparison.

How is suspending one player similiar to suspending a HC for a year, GM for 8 games, another coach for 6 games, and the potential suspensions of 22-27 defensive players?

Because they were all involved...Heavily.

And lied about it, hence the suspensions.

You're suggesting the suspensions were leveed to keep the team from contending. Well, if upwards of 30 ppl from the organization weren't involved, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[WhoDat!656]

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Because they were all involved...Heavily.

And lied about it, hence the suspensions.

You're suggesting the suspensions were leveed to keep the team from contending. Well, if upwards of 30 ppl from the organization weren't involved, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If it was just the players, that would be one thing.

But suspending coaches + the GM + taking draft choices is meant to send a message to the rest of the teams.

[|Mitch|]

I don't think that Goodell was seriously trying to hurt our chances at "contending", trying to send a message to other teams is not the same thing.

[saintsfan1976]

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

If it was just the players, that would be one thing.

But suspending coaches + the GM + taking draft choices is meant to send a message to the rest of the teams.

Ask yourself this: Who lied?

The GM?
The Coach?

And who is ultimately responsible?

The Owner?
The Organization?

Look man, this thing stinks to high heaven. And I firmly believe the Saints were excessively punished, as an organization. But Loomis and Payton and Williams (especially) put the entire franchise at risk when they allowed this to continue AFTER being warned by the commish of the league - the SAME guy who has been trigger-happy on safety since becoming the commissioner of the NFL. AND ALLOW IT TO BE VIDEO TAPED!!!

If Sean Payton wasn't such a good coach, his ass would be GONE

[dueceloose]

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

then doesn't that mean the punishments meted out by Goodell and the league, failed?

No that just means we overcame adversity. Either way we still wont be the same without SP at the reins but our system is good enough anyone can jump in and seem genious. But i'm sure Roger and the Viqueens wont likey.