And it Begins: Latest NFL concussion suit cites Saints' bounties

TheOak · 04-17-2012, 10:26 AM

(gasp!) a sport where everyone runs into everyone has a violent culture!

A sport where lineman practice hitting a dummy is violent!

Hockey on the other hand has no culture of violence....just a crappy dental plan.

FinSaint · 04-17-2012, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Hockey on the other hand has no culture of violence....just a crappy dental plan.

It would be hard to argue otherwise, since they allow fist fights during the game.

But, hockey has been dealing with a serious problem with concussions for the past couple of years, and there have been rule changes in an attempt to cut down on those type of injuries - heck, next year they're even going to change the icing rule to a "hybrid icing" which will supposedly cut down on the heavy collisions when players race the length of the ice to touch the puck.

So, all contact sports are dealing with their own problems, which is simply a result of players having evolved to a different level than what the particular rules were designed for - and the leagues always blame the players.

RaginCajun83 · 04-17-2012, 08:57 PM

Hockey has a concussion problem cause their cash cow (Crosby) has pcs and will use it as an excuse to not play till the playoffs, I like hockey and love the fact while they don't condone the violence they don't act like hyprictrites and try to stop it while still making money off their violent sport while preaching player safety like the NFL

FinSaint · 04-18-2012, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Hockey has a concussion problem cause their cash cow (Crosby) has pcs and will use it as an excuse to not play till the playoffs, I like hockey and love the fact while they don't condone the violence they don't act like hyprictrites and try to stop it while still making money off their violent sport while preaching player safety like the NFL

It's far more than just about Crosby, granted his case has gotten the most publicity, but he is by no means the only player who has had his career jeopardized because of being inflicted by the concussion syndrome.

For example, Boston Bruins center Marc Savard hasn't been able to play in two seasons because of the concussions he had and to this day even his every day life is apparently a challenge because of the lingering effects of the syndrome.

He has problems with his sight in both its focus, but also because he is extremely sensitive to light and conditions where the overall lighting changes quickly. Also his motor skills remain troublesome.

Savard was a really promising center and unfortunately it seems that he won't be able to return to hockey or have a normal civil life ever again - that is both a loss to the hockey community and to his family.

Besides the concussion problem, the NHL has also been dealing with a problem concerning former enforcers - in recent years number of them have died amidst some shady circumstances.

There have been reports of abnormally high depression amongst them coupled with mis-usage of pain medicine, which has led to some dying of a related cause and even one or more taking their own life.

So, hockey has a lot of problems also, but the difference to the NFL seems to be that the league itself and the owners are more active in trying to find solutions to these problems in order to remedy the situation.

sharke · 04-18-2012, 06:44 AM

I don't know if I'd be that generous to the NHL. Yes they are making headway but most of that came from the death of something like 7 players and former players last offseason. If that many NFL players died in a span of three months with similar circumstances then it would probably be a different story. Also, I think it can be said that hockey players have more of an understanding, or at least acceptance of the risks involved.

FinSaint · 04-18-2012, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by sharke

I don't know if I'd be that generous to the NHL. Yes they are making headway but most of that came from the death of something like 7 players and former players last offseason. If that many NFL players died in a span of three months with similar circumstances then it would probably be a different story. Also, I think it can be said that hockey players have more of an understanding, or at least acceptance of the risks involved.

True, I was merely referring to the fact of how much they've already done in trying to combat some of these problems versus the NFL.

There have been rule changes and physical changes like with the changes they made to the rinks - the boards now absorb more of the mass of the impact and the glasses were made safer with curved extensions, among other things.

Hockey is in some respects even more brutal than football because the speed of the game versus football makes up for heavier collisions even if the players themselves are smaller in stature.

So players themselves have to take their share of the responsibility and adjust their actions on the ice accordingly, but all of us who have played a sport of some sort know that it is easier said than done in the heat of the game.

But, you're right - a lot had to happen for them to really take notice of the severity of the issue, and that is always very unfortunate.

sharke · 04-18-2012, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

So players themselves have to take their share of the responsibility and adjust their actions on the ice accordingly, but all of us who have played a sport of some sort know that it is easier said than done in the heat of the game.

Agreed 100%.

xan · 04-18-2012, 07:39 AM

Lemme get this straight. Seeing images of violent contact celebrated, and, the monetary and social rewards of subjecting themselves to that violent contact, these men voluntarily and explicitly demanded employment doing the same. In addition, every team had internal pools and incentives on "special circumstances" in which the players either devised or participated. Further, players hid injuries, especially head trauma, from medical and coaching staff to prevent being removed from games.

Now these same player are saying that they didn't know it could hurt them?

How is the NFL negligent? It hid your injuries, or potential injuries from you????

I'm a reasonable man, but don't bull**** me.

Danno · 04-18-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by xan

Lemme get this straight. Seeing images of violent contact celebrated, and, the monetary and social rewards of subjecting themselves to that violent contact, these men voluntarily and explicitly demanded employment doing the same. In addition, every team had internal pools and incentives on "special circumstances" in which the players either devised or participated. Further, players hid injuries, especially head trauma, from medical and coaching staff to prevent being removed from games.

Now these same player are saying that they didn't know it could hurt them?

How is the NFL negligent? It hid your injuries, or potential injuries from you????

I'm a reasonable man, but don't bull**** me.

hammer-nail.

Dos Equis · 04-18-2012, 10:29 AM

there's alot of people's backs being pissed on, yet being told it's raining, instead.

04-17-2012, 12:15 PM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Hockey on the other hand has no culture of violence....just a crappy dental plan. It would be hard to argue otherwise, since they allow fist fights during the game. But, hockey has been dealing with a serious problem with concussions for the past couple of years, and there have been rule changes in an attempt to cut down on those type of injuries - heck, next year they're even going to change the icing rule to a "hybrid icing" which will supposedly cut down on the heavy collisions when players race the length of the ice to touch the puck. So, all contact sports are dealing with their own problems, which is simply a result of players having evolved to a different level than what the particular rules were designed for - and the leagues always blame the players.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

04-17-2012, 08:57 PM	#3
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Hockey has a concussion problem cause their cash cow (Crosby) has pcs and will use it as an excuse to not play till the playoffs, I like hockey and love the fact while they don't condone the violence they don't act like hyprictrites and try to stop it while still making money off their violent sport while preaching player safety like the NFL sharke likes this.

04-18-2012, 04:00 AM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Hockey has a concussion problem cause their cash cow (Crosby) has pcs and will use it as an excuse to not play till the playoffs, I like hockey and love the fact while they don't condone the violence they don't act like hyprictrites and try to stop it while still making money off their violent sport while preaching player safety like the NFL It's far more than just about Crosby, granted his case has gotten the most publicity, but he is by no means the only player who has had his career jeopardized because of being inflicted by the concussion syndrome. For example, Boston Bruins center Marc Savard hasn't been able to play in two seasons because of the concussions he had and to this day even his every day life is apparently a challenge because of the lingering effects of the syndrome. He has problems with his sight in both its focus, but also because he is extremely sensitive to light and conditions where the overall lighting changes quickly. Also his motor skills remain troublesome. Savard was a really promising center and unfortunately it seems that he won't be able to return to hockey or have a normal civil life ever again - that is both a loss to the hockey community and to his family. Besides the concussion problem, the NHL has also been dealing with a problem concerning former enforcers - in recent years number of them have died amidst some shady circumstances. There have been reports of abnormally high depression amongst them coupled with mis-usage of pain medicine, which has led to some dying of a related cause and even one or more taking their own life. So, hockey has a lot of problems also, but the difference to the NFL seems to be that the league itself and the owners are more active in trying to find solutions to these problems in order to remedy the situation.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

04-18-2012, 07:23 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by sharke I don't know if I'd be that generous to the NHL. Yes they are making headway but most of that came from the death of something like 7 players and former players last offseason. If that many NFL players died in a span of three months with similar circumstances then it would probably be a different story. Also, I think it can be said that hockey players have more of an understanding, or at least acceptance of the risks involved. True, I was merely referring to the fact of how much they've already done in trying to combat some of these problems versus the NFL. There have been rule changes and physical changes like with the changes they made to the rinks - the boards now absorb more of the mass of the impact and the glasses were made safer with curved extensions, among other things. Hockey is in some respects even more brutal than football because the speed of the game versus football makes up for heavier collisions even if the players themselves are smaller in stature. So players themselves have to take their share of the responsibility and adjust their actions on the ice accordingly, but all of us who have played a sport of some sort know that it is easier said than done in the heat of the game. But, you're right - a lot had to happen for them to really take notice of the severity of the issue, and that is always very unfortunate. sharke likes this.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

04-18-2012, 07:42 AM	#7
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	Originally Posted by FinSaint So players themselves have to take their share of the responsibility and adjust their actions on the ice accordingly, but all of us who have played a sport of some sort know that it is easier said than done in the heat of the game. Agreed 100%.

04-17-2012, 10:26 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	(gasp!) a sport where everyone runs into everyone has a violent culture! A sport where lineman practice hitting a dummy is violent! Hockey on the other hand has no culture of violence....just a crappy dental plan.

04-18-2012, 06:44 AM	#5
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	I don't know if I'd be that generous to the NHL. Yes they are making headway but most of that came from the death of something like 7 players and former players last offseason. If that many NFL players died in a span of three months with similar circumstances then it would probably be a different story. Also, I think it can be said that hockey players have more of an understanding, or at least acceptance of the risks involved.

04-18-2012, 07:39 AM	#8
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Lemme get this straight. Seeing images of violent contact celebrated, and, the monetary and social rewards of subjecting themselves to that violent contact, these men voluntarily and explicitly demanded employment doing the same. In addition, every team had internal pools and incentives on "special circumstances" in which the players either devised or participated. Further, players hid injuries, especially head trauma, from medical and coaching staff to prevent being removed from games. Now these same player are saying that they didn't know it could hurt them? How is the NFL negligent? It hid your injuries, or potential injuries from you???? I'm a reasonable man, but don't bull**** me. iceshack149 and Danno like this.
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04-18-2012, 08:18 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by xan Lemme get this straight. Seeing images of violent contact celebrated, and, the monetary and social rewards of subjecting themselves to that violent contact, these men voluntarily and explicitly demanded employment doing the same. In addition, every team had internal pools and incentives on "special circumstances" in which the players either devised or participated. Further, players hid injuries, especially head trauma, from medical and coaching staff to prevent being removed from games. Now these same player are saying that they didn't know it could hurt them? How is the NFL negligent? It hid your injuries, or potential injuries from you???? I'm a reasonable man, but don't bull**** me. hammer-nail.

04-18-2012, 10:29 AM	#10
Dos Equis 0123456789 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 69	there's alot of people's backs being pissed on, yet being told it's raining, instead.

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