Is Malcom Jenkins overrated as a starting Free Safety?

papz · 04-26-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He has been school'ed by one of the best F/S to play the game in Darren Sharper and has had ample time to become the player that he was suppose to come. Please post your thoughts!!

'10 - Very good FS.
'11 - Good SS, bad FS
'12 - Hopefully he reverts back to '10 form where she showed us All Pro potential at FS.

If I'm basing my answer on last year's performance, yes... he's overrated as a free safety.

FinSaint · 04-26-2012, 05:09 PM

I agree with the sentiment that he has good potential, but that he hasn't really developed as quickly as was hoped, and last season was actually a step back in terms of progression.

But Spags, Flajole, and Curtis present Jenkins with an opportunity to hit the reset button and start all over, and we have to remember that he is a natural corner who was converted into a FS, so he has had to learn a lot.

I still like him very much, and I hold a very positive prediction of where he'll be as a player in a season or two, and so I do think that he is the present and the future of the FS position with the Saints.

...overrated or not.

BGWhoDat · 04-26-2012, 05:23 PM

I thought Jenkins played solid in 2010 and took a step back in 2011. I think he has a chance and maybe Spagnuolo's scheme will help milk some consistency out of him.

If all else fails, Nickelback would likely work. I don't think his lack of speed will hurt too much there.

Mardigras9 · 04-26-2012, 05:44 PM

He has shown promise, hope Spags develops a great one.

papz · 04-26-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

I don't think his lack of speed will hurt too much there.

He doesn't run in the 4.3s or low 4.4s, but he has plenty of enough speed to play corner.

alexonfyre · 04-26-2012, 06:04 PM

He definitely under-performed his reputation last year, I think he has the ability to be great, but as dizzle said earlier, it will be all or nothing this year under Spags. He's either good, or he isn't, and the 3-4 will put a lot of pressure on him to perform.

FinSaint · 04-26-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

He definitely under-performed his reputation last year, I think he has the ability to be great, but as dizzle said earlier, it will be all or nothing this year under Spags. He's either good, or he isn't, and the 3-4 will put a lot of pressure on him to perform.

Why 3-4?

My understanding was that the Saints will remain a predominantly 4-3 base defense under Spags, which was in a way corroborated by the fact that when T-P interviewed Loomis last, he had the roster depth on defense in a 4-3 format on the wall of his office.

I mean sure they'll undoubtedly have some 3-4 sets in there, but majority of the snaps will still be taken from a 4-3 base - that is if I haven't missed an official announcement about the Saints adopting the 3-4?!

alexonfyre · 04-26-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Why 3-4?

My understanding was that the Saints will remain a predominantly 4-3 base defense under Spags, which was in a way corroborated by the fact that when T-P interviewed Loomis last, he had the roster depth on defense in a 4-3 format on the wall of his office.

I mean sure they'll undoubtedly have some 3-4 sets in there, but majority of the snaps will still be taken from a 4-3 base - that is if I haven't missed an official announcement about the Saints adopting the 3-4?!

Haha, typo Fin, 4-3 is what I meant. And the FS is responsible for quarterbacking the defense in that scheme unless I am mistaken.

|Mitch| · 04-26-2012, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

Haha, typo Fin, 4-3 is what I meant. And the FS is responsible for quarterbacking the defense in that scheme unless I am mistaken.

In the 4-3; it's the MLB who is the QB of the defense...

FinSaint · 04-26-2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

In the 4-3; it's the MLB who is the QB of the defense...

Yeah, that is the impression that I'm under as well.

04-26-2012, 05:04 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Originally Posted by halloween 65 He has been school'ed by one of the best F/S to play the game in Darren Sharper and has had ample time to become the player that he was suppose to come. Please post your thoughts!! '10 - Very good FS. '11 - Good SS, bad FS '12 - Hopefully he reverts back to '10 form where she showed us All Pro potential at FS. If I'm basing my answer on last year's performance, yes... he's overrated as a free safety.

04-26-2012, 05:09 PM	#12
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	I agree with the sentiment that he has good potential, but that he hasn't really developed as quickly as was hoped, and last season was actually a step back in terms of progression. But Spags, Flajole, and Curtis present Jenkins with an opportunity to hit the reset button and start all over, and we have to remember that he is a natural corner who was converted into a FS, so he has had to learn a lot. I still like him very much, and I hold a very positive prediction of where he'll be as a player in a season or two, and so I do think that he is the present and the future of the FS position with the Saints. ...overrated or not.
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04-26-2012, 05:51 PM	#15
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat I don't think his lack of speed will hurt too much there. He doesn't run in the 4.3s or low 4.4s, but he has plenty of enough speed to play corner.

04-26-2012, 07:11 PM	#17
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by alexonfyre He definitely under-performed his reputation last year, I think he has the ability to be great, but as dizzle said earlier, it will be all or nothing this year under Spags. He's either good, or he isn't, and the 3-4 will put a lot of pressure on him to perform. Why 3-4? My understanding was that the Saints will remain a predominantly 4-3 base defense under Spags, which was in a way corroborated by the fact that when T-P interviewed Loomis last, he had the roster depth on defense in a 4-3 format on the wall of his office. I mean sure they'll undoubtedly have some 3-4 sets in there, but majority of the snaps will still be taken from a 4-3 base - that is if I haven't missed an official announcement about the Saints adopting the 3-4?!

04-26-2012, 07:31 PM	#18
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by FinSaint Why 3-4? My understanding was that the Saints will remain a predominantly 4-3 base defense under Spags, which was in a way corroborated by the fact that when T-P interviewed Loomis last, he had the roster depth on defense in a 4-3 format on the wall of his office. I mean sure they'll undoubtedly have some 3-4 sets in there, but majority of the snaps will still be taken from a 4-3 base - that is if I haven't missed an official announcement about the Saints adopting the 3-4?! Haha, typo Fin, 4-3 is what I meant. And the FS is responsible for quarterbacking the defense in that scheme unless I am mistaken.

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04-26-2012, 05:23 PM	#13
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	I thought Jenkins played solid in 2010 and took a step back in 2011. I think he has a chance and maybe Spagnuolo's scheme will help milk some consistency out of him. If all else fails, Nickelback would likely work. I don't think his lack of speed will hurt too much there.

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	He has shown promise, hope Spags develops a great one.

04-26-2012, 06:04 PM	#16
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	He definitely under-performed his reputation last year, I think he has the ability to be great, but as dizzle said earlier, it will be all or nothing this year under Spags. He's either good, or he isn't, and the 3-4 will put a lot of pressure on him to perform.

04-26-2012, 07:35 PM	#19
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by alexonfyre Haha, typo Fin, 4-3 is what I meant. And the FS is responsible for quarterbacking the defense in that scheme unless I am mistaken. In the 4-3; it's the MLB who is the QB of the defense...

04-26-2012, 08:15 PM	#20
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| In the 4-3; it's the MLB who is the QB of the defense... Yeah, that is the impression that I'm under as well.

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