burningmetal

Dude, believe what you will, I've said my peace and then some.

and Mitch, sorry man, but if you don't like it you don't have to read it. When someone takes initiative to talk down to me over not liking a pick, I will defend myself. It's BS that a fellow Saints fan would want to start an argument with me over nothing.

pherein

lol, he's got a point mitch. They both have a right to defend their positions. Kind of a reason why you have a thread in the first place. Wether or not you want to hear it, is where you should get off your comfortable horse and stop reading. lol

A thread without opposing views where one guy gets banned, if its not completely pro saints, is the saintsreport I thought.

burningmetal has a point of view thats not popular, but more than that, he's supporting it by posting against anyone that post against him. Its possible he's just being confrontational , supporting a view with no reason for sake of argument. OR its possible everyone else is. But thats why we have threads. To further our own knowledge and personal development, be proven wrong or right, or not sure. To listen or be listened to. Ramble, say what we think we mean, and get ripped apart. Its all good.

The guys that post and defend their arguments without listening to others get a reputation as being useless to talk to, and their future opinions get greatly devalued. Guys willing to work things out and see the others point of view go on to be important to the black and gold, like you mitch. Which might be why its bothering you,lol. Your not seeing either side let up, and that can get annoying.
No you don't know what Im say..
No you don't know what Im say..
No I didn't mean that..
No I didn't mean that..
Your saying..
No Im not saying that..
What are you saying..
It gets old after awhile when people only read what they want to read in a post and not what was posted.
I completely get where you coming from. But you have to admit, its pretty funny sometimes

Saints proved that pigs could fly in 2009.
Now its time for another miracle SuperBowl and go where no pig has gone before.

pherein

If its nothing why are you arguing about it ? Don't make points that make your point look silly. Not trying to be rude, just pointing out the obvious. I would like to be entertained by this argument at some point.

canucksaint

I think this pick is a very interesting one. With the Saints not having a 1st or 2nd, I would think that they would have spent a considerable more amount of time looking at lower round prospect than other teams, therefore I would assume that they would have a better feel for some of these "diamonds in the rough" than others. I do understand some of the concerns that he played in Canada, and by no means is the competition the same, however one also has acknowledge that another Canadian player was drafted in the 4th round by the Chargers a couple years ago (Vaughan Martin) and he is now their starting DT. Seems like his size and stats equally compare.

FinSaint

And Tom Johnson was also acquired from the CFL, and that one Dolphin player who became a star for them, can't remember his name now.

burningmetal

Because I didn't bash anyone for liking the pick, pherein. I said I didn't like the pick and stated why. I thought there were better players available, and I might be right or I might be wrong. That goes for anyone's opinion of anybody the Saints picked.

But a couple people decided that it was so egregious that I didn't like the pick, to jump all over me about reading scouting reports and watching whatever footage there was to see, and drawing my conclusions from that. Just what exactly is everyone else drawing conclusions from? The guy is a project, who some obviously like, but I am not sold. When someone insults my intelligence just because I happen to doubt a player, I get really annoyed, and that's when I decide to speak my mind. There's nothing silly about what I said.

Why would I change my opinion to suit someone else, when it's not what I believe? I see why people have high hopes for him, but I also see reason to doubt. I don't get where that's such a hard thing to understand.

It's up to Hicks to change minds, one way or another.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

pherein

I don't think you should. I understand your point of view and the majorities. Differences of opinion are always a asset. Even if crazy, in my book. Allows me to work things out in my own head to see if I really believe my own way of thinking, and if I can defend it at all.

I am pretty undecided, but more in the pro Hicks masses. I just don't see a reason to doubt loomie and the coaches just yet. If GW was here, I might doubt, because of the drafts and signings for DL he did last year that didn't make a difference.
But, in the end its really up to Hicks, what he wants, and is willing to do. I just like staying positive and reserving the right to an opinion of him until his second training camp.

I really don't know why anyone expects much from a rookie in the first season.
I mean, a rookie DLman, even in a second season, going up against a 4-8 year veteran OLman is not exactly fair,lol.
Same with Ingram. He needs to learn the system and get used to faster, bigger guys trying to kill him before he can showcase his abilities that made him a special running back.
Some adjusts and most don't.

Most of the NFL are not the Faulks, Mannings, Brees, Sapp's , etc. its mostly good to ok players. Can he be a stable good too ok player. We need them also.

So, just based on raw physical ability and motor, do you think he has a shot to make a career in the NFL at all ?

Saints proved that pigs could fly in 2009.
Now its time for another miracle SuperBowl and go where no pig has gone before.