Draft Grades - Walter Football, not too bad
 

Oh well, we can always revert to the old "gotta trust our front office" cliches.

The D grade for White is expected, but Spagnoulo seemed pretty happy about getting him...

See me in two years for the actual grades.....

Isnt to early for grades when we havent even see them play or practice.

grades are based on value for the pick. its like the market, buy low and sell high. saints were buying high imo

Then that makes the grades even less of value because... who is to say what value is???

Value means NOTHING. Its how the players will be and develop into NFL players, how they contribute.

If that is your guy F$%K what everyone says you take the player. In 3-4 years that is when the grades mean something... did you fail or did you win with the pick/player.

I know, right? I know some fans get all worked up over the draft and get themselves all in a tizzy over taking this guy or that guy or the other guy. It's cool. Whatever butters your bread...

But I don't sweat it...ever. First, it's just too dang much to keep up with all the players and second, as you say, it'll be two years, at least, before the draft can be graded...and third, it's very much like going to Vegas and playing roulette. Sure fire prospects bomb out all the time, and guys nobody ever heard of do well.

I guess it's fun to speculate, but frankly I'd rather play roulette...

i believe in reaching by all means but the saints imo reached by rounds not a round, but then again like it has been said see me in two years.

from what i see today i do not see a great improvement in the team in the secondary. Porter will be missed and the saints did nothing to fill the void. nothing. Safety is unchanged. Nothing really to get excited about, they are all the same type of players.

Front 7 on defense is better through FA and the draft gave us a project and hope.

Offense goes unchanged, But they have added another good set of hands for Drew. That is always good. OL has depth added.

well let camp start and see what we got.

see me in two years.

If we received A's across the board we'd be pimping these grades left and right.

I disagree. We added Spagnuolo to the secondary, or more precisely, his scheme. I feel he will make our existing pieces more successful right away.

Indirectly by improving the front 7.

Its a cliche for a reason. A strong pass rush is your best secondary.

Our pass rush last year was laughable. I wouldn't base any DB analysis on what happened last year. We have some good talent back there and I think Spags will install a system that proves it.

The Danno cliche club grows, this time:
Yeah!

I don't know.....a B- is about right for what I saw and read over the weekend.

Draft grades this early is no more or no less as gay as Power Rankings.

well of course grades this early mean absolutely nothing, but still interesting to see.

I went back and looked at the grades for the 2010 draft; the Jimmy Graham pick grade was a C- and the Al Woods pick was an A. Just a little off the mark :doh:

Estimating the value of a certain player is very difficult because the fit of a certain player to a certain scheme can completely change the value of a player picked by team A versus him being picked by team B.

I think that is the what we might be seeing with someone like White, although he wasn't seen as a valuable player for most, he clearly was valued by the Saints and Spags/Flajole, so I'm OK with the pick.

I'm also leaning towards a B- grade based on the draft coverage I watched and some of the things I've read, but who knows? But I'm definitely not disappointed with the draft considering the handicaps the Saints had.

Well Said, K-man

Good Point - I'm skeptical, but I hope you're right...

Hope we find a scheme where Harper doesn't have to cover, even if he is a Defensive Back; but maybe Spagnuolo can improve BOTH Safeties skills and tendencies...:bng:

I think we all hope that, but I remain somewhat biased in my opinion about Harper's coverage skills or more precisely the lack of such skills.

I'm not saying he has great hands and great coverage skills among all the strong safeties around the league, but I also don't think the is as bad as is sometimes portrayed.

He was asked to do a lot in GW's schemes, probably more than he should've, but I still think that he can do a good job in coverage as long as he is not left "on an island" to defend against the top WR or TE - there are very few strong safeties who can succeed under those conditions. And lets not forget that Shanle also had a chance to brake up that pass to Vernon Davis which ended the Saints' season, so it's not like Harper was the only one on that play who "whiffed."

After watching that game I'm much more concerned about Jenkins. He was burned all game long. Granted he's being asked to cover a TE who runs a 4.3, but we've beat that horse to death.

Where did you get that tid bit? There are no rules for grading players/teams ect. Because its no more or no less some guy with the internet sitting there thinking he knows more than anyone else, ranking players or even teams in a gay power ranking that means NOTHING.

Jimmy Graham got a C minus? How did that turn out? That just goes to show you they mean nothing. We don't get a trophy for getting an A by Joe Schmuck.

From my very own gray matter, but my intention was never to reveal to you a great mystery about the game of football.

I was merely stating the fact, which sometimes seems to be forgotten or just ignored, that it's very hard to give players a "firm" grade, because a player with a certain skill-set will more than likely have a better chance to succeed in a certain scheme as opposed to another. That is also why the strategy of picking always the BPA in the draft doesn't necessarily work, because although a player might be graded high by the team and/or a "reliable" third party, he might not ultimately fit the scheme the team is working with, which in turn can jeopardize the development of a promising young player and decrease his ultimate trade value (if he is being picked for such purpose, as sometimes happens with BPAs).

Furthermore, I was in fact contributing to the thread as opposed to just sprinkling gay powder on top of it simply because I do not agree with the initial premise the thread is based on.

I myself do put value in some player evaluations and subsequent grades they are given, but it depends on the source who/which is making the assessments. For example, I do value the evaluations of Mike Mayock, because he does know a lot about these young players and he spends massive amounts of time to ensure that he does a good job with his evaluations. Part of the reason is that I don't watch any college football, so I usually don't have any idea about what type of players the draft classes hold, and this is where such "reliable" evaluations are very helpful to such people like I am.