Grading Saints Third Pick, Akiem Hicks.

FinSaint · 05-02-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

They didn't give the defense the main focus. They took two defensive players (DT, DB) and three offensive players (WR, G, T)

They used 2 of the first 3 picks for a defensive player, so in my mind that is giving the defense the main focus in a draft where you only have 5 picks overall.

TheOak · 05-02-2012, 10:44 AM

Grading draft picks before they have ever hit even the practice field is sort of like ordering a wife off of the internet... You really have no clue what you will get.

Example. Jamarcus Russell

CharityMike · 05-02-2012, 11:32 AM

The answer is subjective. Depends on PERSONAL feelings on what statistics it would take for him to be a good pick in your mind.

BGWhoDat · 05-02-2012, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

No prob. I was just more curious about the possible signing of him elsewhere than pointing out a "mistake" in your article, which was well written as always.

I guess the Chiefs would've been a potential landing spot for him before the draft, but now that they'll be bringing in Poe, he might not be able to have as big of a role there as he might've liked to.

Yes, I remembered him working out for them then I thought I read he was signing there, or had signed there.

I'd rather you point out a mistake, or question it, than let it slide. It's GREATLY appreciated.

FinSaint · 05-02-2012, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

The answer is subjective. Depends on PERSONAL feelings on what statistics it would take for him to be a good pick in your mind.

You're right, the fact that my two favorite DTs for the Saints to pick were Wolfe and Hicks before the draft - in that order - and seeing Wolfe go off the board as early as he did, I was very relieved and happy when they picked Hicks.

Danno · 05-02-2012, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

You're right, the fact that my two favorite DTs for the Saints to pick were Wolfe and Hicks before the draft - in that order - and seeing Wolfe go off the board as early as he did, I was very relieved and happy when they picked Hicks.

Kudos to you. I saw several posters mention Akiem Hicks over the last 3 months, but forgot who they were.

darstep · 05-02-2012, 02:51 PM

We needed and need some youth in the middle.
I hope he shakes some schlitz up.
Big young monster in the middle - 6'5" and +300.
Even if he dosn't come into his own until next season, this year will be good training.
I just hope he stays healthy and develops well.
Good pick.

Seer1 · 05-02-2012, 03:14 PM

This pick definitely gets an..................Inc! I can't figure folk who grade drafts before two, or more years pass.

BGWhoDat · 05-02-2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

This pick definitely gets an..................Inc! I can't figure folk who grade drafts before two, or more years pass.

You can still grade the pick. Like, if they grabbed a seventh round prospect in the third round, at a position like say, RB, instead of an area of need..

A lot of people are interested in learning about draft picks, especially ones they don't know about. That's why people do the "grades." Something to write about + giving people insight = page views and something to do.

Sure, they may be busts, but still. As it stands right now, grading a player is no different than 6,000 posts saying "I like this guy" or "Bad choice imo." Instead, you're just giving a letter on how much you like or don't like a player/pick.

Danno · 05-02-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

You can still grade the pick. Like, if they grabbed a seventh round prospect in the third round, at a position like say, RB, instead of an area of need..

A lot of people are interested in learning about draft picks, especially ones they don't know about. That's why people do the "grades." Something to write about + giving people insight = page views and something to do.

Sure, they may be busts, but still. As it stands right now, grading a player is no different than 6,000 posts saying "I like this guy" or "Bad choice imo." Instead, you're just giving a letter on how much you like or don't like a player/pick.

Kinda like a power ranking, but for draft picks.

No one is grading the player based on his NFL performance. The grade is for how good of a prospect does he appear to be, how does he fit with your teams scheme, how does he fit your teams needs, how risky is the pick, could you have picked the same player later, should the player have been picked sooner, etc.

Its a draft grade based on a consensus of information known about the prospect.

If you picked a CB in the 1st round who was projected as a UDFA at 5'-7" and ran a 4.9 40 yard dash, I'd give that selection an F.

If you picked up Andrew Luck in the 3rd round, I'd give that selection an A.

05-02-2012, 10:15 AM	#21
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by jcp026 They didn't give the defense the main focus. They took two defensive players (DT, DB) and three offensive players (WR, G, T) They used 2 of the first 3 picks for a defensive player, so in my mind that is giving the defense the main focus in a draft where you only have 5 picks overall.

05-02-2012, 12:57 PM	#24
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	Originally Posted by FinSaint No prob. I was just more curious about the possible signing of him elsewhere than pointing out a "mistake" in your article, which was well written as always. I guess the Chiefs would've been a potential landing spot for him before the draft, but now that they'll be bringing in Poe, he might not be able to have as big of a role there as he might've liked to. Yes, I remembered him working out for them then I thought I read he was signing there, or had signed there. I'd rather you point out a mistake, or question it, than let it slide. It's GREATLY appreciated. FinSaint likes this.

05-02-2012, 01:34 PM	#25
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by CharityMike The answer is subjective. Depends on PERSONAL feelings on what statistics it would take for him to be a good pick in your mind. You're right, the fact that my two favorite DTs for the Saints to pick were Wolfe and Hicks before the draft - in that order - and seeing Wolfe go off the board as early as he did, I was very relieved and happy when they picked Hicks.

05-02-2012, 02:37 PM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by FinSaint You're right, the fact that my two favorite DTs for the Saints to pick were Wolfe and Hicks before the draft - in that order - and seeing Wolfe go off the board as early as he did, I was very relieved and happy when they picked Hicks. Kudos to you. I saw several posters mention Akiem Hicks over the last 3 months, but forgot who they were.

05-02-2012, 03:48 PM	#29
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	Originally Posted by Seer1 This pick definitely gets an..................Inc! I can't figure folk who grade drafts before two, or more years pass. You can still grade the pick. Like, if they grabbed a seventh round prospect in the third round, at a position like say, RB, instead of an area of need.. A lot of people are interested in learning about draft picks, especially ones they don't know about. That's why people do the "grades." Something to write about + giving people insight = page views and something to do. Sure, they may be busts, but still. As it stands right now, grading a player is no different than 6,000 posts saying "I like this guy" or "Bad choice imo." Instead, you're just giving a letter on how much you like or don't like a player/pick. Danno likes this.
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05-02-2012, 10:44 AM	#22
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Grading draft picks before they have ever hit even the practice field is sort of like ordering a wife off of the internet... You really have no clue what you will get. Example. Jamarcus Russell

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CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	The answer is subjective. Depends on PERSONAL feelings on what statistics it would take for him to be a good pick in your mind.

05-02-2012, 02:51 PM	#27
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	We needed and need some youth in the middle. I hope he shakes some schlitz up. Big young monster in the middle - 6'5" and +300. Even if he dosn't come into his own until next season, this year will be good training. I just hope he stays healthy and develops well. Good pick.

05-02-2012, 03:14 PM	#28
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	This pick definitely gets an..................Inc! I can't figure folk who grade drafts before two, or more years pass.

05-02-2012, 05:33 PM	#30
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat You can still grade the pick. Like, if they grabbed a seventh round prospect in the third round, at a position like say, RB, instead of an area of need.. A lot of people are interested in learning about draft picks, especially ones they don't know about. That's why people do the "grades." Something to write about + giving people insight = page views and something to do. Sure, they may be busts, but still. As it stands right now, grading a player is no different than 6,000 posts saying "I like this guy" or "Bad choice imo." Instead, you're just giving a letter on how much you like or don't like a player/pick. Kinda like a power ranking, but for draft picks. No one is grading the player based on his NFL performance. The grade is for how good of a prospect does he appear to be, how does he fit with your teams scheme, how does he fit your teams needs, how risky is the pick, could you have picked the same player later, should the player have been picked sooner, etc. Its a draft grade based on a consensus of information known about the prospect. If you picked a CB in the 1st round who was projected as a UDFA at 5'-7" and ran a 4.9 40 yard dash, I'd give that selection an F. If you picked up Andrew Luck in the 3rd round, I'd give that selection an A. BGWhoDat likes this.

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