So now what?

pherein · 05-02-2012, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

That's what Vilma released through his lawyer. Give 'em HELL Vilma!

Yeah I think Vilma's going to court to sue Godell

, and we all know the NFL does not have any evidence of this.
Its going to be fun to see a New Orleans Saint make Godell look like and idiot in public.
They will be forced to show what they have in court, and what the NFL has is a weak defense with inept ego driven team captain. Godell just tried to tackle the wrong guy.

Beastmode · 05-02-2012, 06:17 PM

I want it to end but I also want the NFL to be ordered to to show their hand by a higher power and it better be something substantial like a recording or video. Statements are not going to cut it in a real court of law.

saintfan · 05-02-2012, 06:22 PM

I have no idea so somebody with an education feel free to chime in here...

But the league has this anti-trust exemption thing, which is why Goodell is able to act as judge and jury and executioner, right?

So the question is, if any of these people being slammed -- well, DO any of these people being slammed by Roger have any recourse in a real court. I think the immediate answer is no, but once their careers are over, and in Vilma's case, for example, at his age, he's close, do they have an recourse in a real court then?

What, exactly, can Vilma's lawyers - or the NFLPA for that matter, actually DO other than appeal to the almighty Roger Goodell? Does anyone know for sure?

pherein · 05-02-2012, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I have no idea so somebody with an education feel free to chime in here...

Its a civil case, the NFL is not protected by players filing civil cases against them. Defamation of character etc...

Vilma getting reinstated is an employment contract issue. Under the the Fair work place act, if I remember right.
As long as Vilma did not violate his contract, he's fine. So, the NFL will have to provide evidence that proves his removal from the work place, for the reason they stated.
The NFL anti-trust exemption thing dosnt really pertain to this. From what I know, could be wrong.
The NFLPA can't really do anything except support Vilma in court.

saintfan · 05-02-2012, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

Its a civil case, the NFL is not protected by players filing civil cases against them.

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AsylumGuido · 05-02-2012, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

This was on ESPN.COM - I refuse to link back:

“I am shocked and extremely disappointed by the NFL’s decision to suspend me for the 2012 season. Commissioner Roger Goodell has refused to share any of the supposed evidence he claims supports this unprecedented punishment. The reason is clear: I never paid, or intended to pay, $10,000, or any amount of money, to any player for knocking Kurt Warner, Brett Favre or any other player out of the 2009 Divisional playoff game, 2010 NFC Championship Game or any other game.

“I never set out to intentionally hurt any player and never enticed any teammate to intentionally hurt another player. I also never put any money into a bounty pool or helped to create a bounty pool intended to pay out money for injuring other players. I have always conducted myself in a professional and proud manner.

“I intend to fight this injustice, to defend my reputation, to stand up for my team and my profession, and to send a clear signal to the commissioner that the process has failed, to the detriment of me, my teammates, the New Orleans Saints and the game.’’

That's what Vilma released through his lawyer. Give 'em HELL Vilma!

Expect more than hell for Goodell in this case.

"Release the Kraken!!"

pherein · 05-02-2012, 08:59 PM

Teams receive memo from NFL on player 'bounty' punishments
Teams receive memo from NFL on player 'bounty' punishments - NFL.com

To me this just further exemplifies Godells desperation. Still unwilling to show proof of player involvement he releases a memo, and post a story on NFL.com with his hand picked experts.
Its obvious now that the owners are not even aware of the evidence Godell has.

This memo seems to be directed at the players and, hoping to scare off Vilma or any that are planning to bring this to civil litigation. Its not going to work Godell

SaintsBro · 05-02-2012, 09:31 PM

"The process has failed" basically means...Goodell has failed....that is a DIRECT shot at Goodell without mentioning him by name.

Right about now would be a really good time for the ol' "popcorn eating" emoticon!

|Mitch| · 05-02-2012, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

"popcorn eating" emoticon!

05-02-2012, 06:01 PM	#11
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by saintfan That's what Vilma released through his lawyer. Give 'em HELL Vilma! Yeah I think Vilma's going to court to sue Godell , and we all know the NFL does not have any evidence of this. Its going to be fun to see a New Orleans Saint make Godell look like and idiot in public. They will be forced to show what they have in court, and what the NFL has is a weak defense with inept ego driven team captain. Godell just tried to tackle the wrong guy.
	Last edited by pherein; 05-02-2012 at 06:07 PM..

05-02-2012, 06:17 PM	#12
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	I want it to end but I also want the NFL to be ordered to to show their hand by a higher power and it better be something substantial like a recording or video. Statements are not going to cut it in a real court of law.
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05-02-2012, 06:22 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	I have no idea so somebody with an education feel free to chime in here... But the league has this anti-trust exemption thing, which is why Goodell is able to act as judge and jury and executioner, right? So the question is, if any of these people being slammed -- well, DO any of these people being slammed by Roger have any recourse in a real court. I think the immediate answer is no, but once their careers are over, and in Vilma's case, for example, at his age, he's close, do they have an recourse in a real court then? What, exactly, can Vilma's lawyers - or the NFLPA for that matter, actually DO other than appeal to the almighty Roger Goodell? Does anyone know for sure?
	C'mon Man...

05-02-2012, 06:31 PM	#14
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by saintfan I have no idea so somebody with an education feel free to chime in here... Its a civil case, the NFL is not protected by players filing civil cases against them. Defamation of character etc... Vilma getting reinstated is an employment contract issue. Under the the Fair work place act, if I remember right. As long as Vilma did not violate his contract, he's fine. So, the NFL will have to provide evidence that proves his removal from the work place, for the reason they stated. The NFL anti-trust exemption thing dosnt really pertain to this. From what I know, could be wrong. The NFLPA can't really do anything except support Vilma in court.
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05-02-2012, 08:37 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Originally Posted by saintfan This was on ESPN.COM - I refuse to link back: “I am shocked and extremely disappointed by the NFL’s decision to suspend me for the 2012 season. Commissioner Roger Goodell has refused to share any of the supposed evidence he claims supports this unprecedented punishment. The reason is clear: I never paid, or intended to pay, $10,000, or any amount of money, to any player for knocking Kurt Warner, Brett Favre or any other player out of the 2009 Divisional playoff game, 2010 NFC Championship Game or any other game. “I never set out to intentionally hurt any player and never enticed any teammate to intentionally hurt another player. I also never put any money into a bounty pool or helped to create a bounty pool intended to pay out money for injuring other players. I have always conducted myself in a professional and proud manner. “I intend to fight this injustice, to defend my reputation, to stand up for my team and my profession, and to send a clear signal to the commissioner that the process has failed, to the detriment of me, my teammates, the New Orleans Saints and the game.’’ That's what Vilma released through his lawyer. Give 'em HELL Vilma! Expect more than hell for Goodell in this case. "Release the Kraken!!"

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05-02-2012, 08:59 PM	#17
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Teams receive memo from NFL on player 'bounty' punishments Teams receive memo from NFL on player 'bounty' punishments - NFL.com To me this just further exemplifies Godells desperation. Still unwilling to show proof of player involvement he releases a memo, and post a story on NFL.com with his hand picked experts. Its obvious now that the owners are not even aware of the evidence Godell has. This memo seems to be directed at the players and, hoping to scare off Vilma or any that are planning to bring this to civil litigation. Its not going to work Godell
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05-02-2012, 09:31 PM	#18
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	"The process has failed" basically means...Goodell has failed....that is a DIRECT shot at Goodell without mentioning him by name. Right about now would be a really good time for the ol' "popcorn eating" emoticon!

05-02-2012, 09:50 PM	#19
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by SaintsBro "popcorn eating" emoticon!

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