The Union Weighs in On Player Punishments

saintfan · 05-03-2012, 11:13 AM

I'd rather see the season suspended than to see Roger get away with what he has, so far, managed to get away with. As "Big Worm" stated so eloquently, "There's principalities involved!"

Seriously. This is an attempt at getting a leg up on player lawsuits and the NFLPA. It is being manipulated at every turn and it should not be allowed. I'd seriously rather see the league dismantled and rebuilt in a year or three than to see this continue under Roger Goodell.

I have to respectfully disagree 626. That ONE MAN has the authority to take away another man's ability to make money without giving that man the opportunity to speak for himself OR show him the evidence against him is precisely unAmerican and SHOULD land on the steps of the Supreme Court.

You don't know if any of the suspended are innocent or not, because you haven't seen the evidence. Neither have I. Neither have they. That just isn't right.

TheOak · 05-03-2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I have to respectfully disagree 626. That ONE MAN has the authority to take away another man's ability to make money without giving that man the opportunity to speak for himself OR show him the evidence against him is precisely unAmerican and SHOULD land on the steps of the Supreme Court.

I appreciate your view... However there is evidence. Public evidence that people seem to forget.

Once Fujita and Hargrove ADMITTED to it.... it was all over but the crying. How much more evidence is needed?

Once a suspect pleads guilty, the case is over...he is now in the hands of Judge or jury for punishment.

I know there are loose ends in the public eye, Ill bet a years pay Goodell can tie them up very quickly but is choosing not to do so because he would have to sacrifice the lamb (Greg Williams).

saintfan · 05-03-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I appreciate your view... However there is evidence. Public evidence that people seem to forget.

Once Fujita and Hargrove ADMITTED to it.... it was all over but the crying. How much more evidence is needed?

Once a suspect pleads guilty, the case is over...he is now in the hands of Judge or jury for punishment.

I know there are loose ends in the public eye, Ill bet a years pay Goodell can tie them up very quickly but is choosing not to do so because he would have to sacrifice the lamb (Greg Williams).

I have seen or heard NOTHING stating Will Smith or Jonathan Vilma did anything wrong that wasn't pumped out through the media by Roger Goodell. Not a Single Thing. ZERO. Even if Vilma or Smith said there was a program, that's not saying they took part in it...and they are seemingly adamant that they didn't.

You shouldn't have to wager a years pay. That's the point. There should be nothing to wager on at this point since the punishment has been handed down. There should be NO WAY in the United States that ONE MAN can remove another man's ability to make money in his chosen profession without SOLID, IRON CLAD, 100% ACCURATE PROOF of his case. That SHOULD NOT be allowed to happen in this country. PERIOD.

TheOak · 05-03-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I have seen or heard NOTHING stating Will Smith or Jonathan Vilma did anything wrong that wasn't pumped out through the media by Roger Goodell. Not a Single Thing. ZERO. Even if Vilma or Smith said there was a program, that's not saying they took part in it...and they are seemingly adamant that they didn't.

You shouldn't have to wager a years pay. That's the point. There should be nothing to wager on at this point since the punishment has been handed down. There should be NO WAY in the United States that ONE MAN can remove another man's ability to make money in his chosen profession without SOLID, IRON CLAD, 100% ACCURATE PROOF of his case. That SHOULD NOT be allowed to happen in this country. PERIOD.

Ever hear of a "hire at will" state? people are terminated from their jobs every day for ZERO reason.

saintfan · 05-03-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Ever hear of a "hire at will" state? people are terminated from their jobs every day for ZERO reason.

And if my boss says I raped the secretary, and I know I didn't, I'm hauling his ass directly to court...

TheOak · 05-03-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

And if my boss says I raped the secretary, and I know I didn't, I'm hauling his ass directly to court...

And if he called you into his office and told you "Bye".

Catch here is no one was terminated and nothing illegal was done... Well, unless the IRS gets involved and finds something.

05-03-2012, 11:13 AM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	I'd rather see the season suspended than to see Roger get away with what he has, so far, managed to get away with. As "Big Worm" stated so eloquently, "There's principalities involved!" Seriously. This is an attempt at getting a leg up on player lawsuits and the NFLPA. It is being manipulated at every turn and it should not be allowed. I'd seriously rather see the league dismantled and rebuilt in a year or three than to see this continue under Roger Goodell. I have to respectfully disagree 626. That ONE MAN has the authority to take away another man's ability to make money without giving that man the opportunity to speak for himself OR show him the evidence against him is precisely unAmerican and SHOULD land on the steps of the Supreme Court. You don't know if any of the suspended are innocent or not, because you haven't seen the evidence. Neither have I. Neither have they. That just isn't right.
	C'mon Man...

05-03-2012, 11:28 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Originally Posted by saintfan I have to respectfully disagree 626. That ONE MAN has the authority to take away another man's ability to make money without giving that man the opportunity to speak for himself OR show him the evidence against him is precisely unAmerican and SHOULD land on the steps of the Supreme Court. I appreciate your view... However there is evidence. Public evidence that people seem to forget. Once Fujita and Hargrove ADMITTED to it.... it was all over but the crying. How much more evidence is needed? Once a suspect pleads guilty, the case is over...he is now in the hands of Judge or jury for punishment. I know there are loose ends in the public eye, Ill bet a years pay Goodell can tie them up very quickly but is choosing not to do so because he would have to sacrifice the lamb (Greg Williams).

05-03-2012, 12:02 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by x626xBlack I appreciate your view... However there is evidence. Public evidence that people seem to forget. Once Fujita and Hargrove ADMITTED to it.... it was all over but the crying. How much more evidence is needed? Once a suspect pleads guilty, the case is over...he is now in the hands of Judge or jury for punishment. I know there are loose ends in the public eye, Ill bet a years pay Goodell can tie them up very quickly but is choosing not to do so because he would have to sacrifice the lamb (Greg Williams). I have seen or heard NOTHING stating Will Smith or Jonathan Vilma did anything wrong that wasn't pumped out through the media by Roger Goodell. Not a Single Thing. ZERO. Even if Vilma or Smith said there was a program, that's not saying they took part in it...and they are seemingly adamant that they didn't. You shouldn't have to wager a years pay. That's the point. There should be nothing to wager on at this point since the punishment has been handed down. There should be NO WAY in the United States that ONE MAN can remove another man's ability to make money in his chosen profession without SOLID, IRON CLAD, 100% ACCURATE PROOF of his case. That SHOULD NOT be allowed to happen in this country. PERIOD. pherein likes this.
	C'mon Man...

05-03-2012, 01:18 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Originally Posted by saintfan I have seen or heard NOTHING stating Will Smith or Jonathan Vilma did anything wrong that wasn't pumped out through the media by Roger Goodell. Not a Single Thing. ZERO. Even if Vilma or Smith said there was a program, that's not saying they took part in it...and they are seemingly adamant that they didn't. You shouldn't have to wager a years pay. That's the point. There should be nothing to wager on at this point since the punishment has been handed down. There should be NO WAY in the United States that ONE MAN can remove another man's ability to make money in his chosen profession without SOLID, IRON CLAD, 100% ACCURATE PROOF of his case. That SHOULD NOT be allowed to happen in this country. PERIOD. Ever hear of a "hire at will" state? people are terminated from their jobs every day for ZERO reason.

05-03-2012, 01:56 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Ever hear of a "hire at will" state? people are terminated from their jobs every day for ZERO reason. And if my boss says I raped the secretary, and I know I didn't, I'm hauling his ass directly to court...

05-03-2012, 02:46 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Originally Posted by saintfan And if my boss says I raped the secretary, and I know I didn't, I'm hauling his ass directly to court... And if he called you into his office and told you "Bye". Catch here is no one was terminated and nothing illegal was done... Well, unless the IRS gets involved and finds something.

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