Brees’ franchise tender comes in at $16.371 million

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-12-2012, 11:52 AM

I originally threw out a hypothetical 5/yr $115 million with $75 million in the first three years.

Originally Posted by FinSaint

So, that would be an annual cap hit of about $25M for the first 3 years, because he (Condon & Brees) would undoubtedly want it all to be guaranteed money, which is as much as they've said?

Not exactly. That would include the signing bonus, which is spread over all 5 years. So the cap hit will come in lower.

How could the Saints keep the rest of the team on the competitive level it is at the moment with a $25M cap hit for - admittedly the most important, but nevertheless - a single player?

I'd be OK with that figure if the cap was about $10 to $15 million more than it is at the moment, but since there's some disagreement about whether the cap is going to chance with the new TV deals - $25M is too much.

And I agree with you burningmetal, the Broncos way over paid for Manning and it's ridiculous that these players feel automatically deserving of the same salary - and a little more - when another guy signs a big contract.

I think ya'll think that the Saints should pay this. I don't. But I do want you to understand that the agent asking for this isn't really all that unreasonable. It's like all negotiations: ask high (Brees/Condon) and offer low(Saints) then find a way to meet in the middle.

BTW whether or not the Broncos overpaid is irrelevant. Manning's deal and Johnson's deal provide a framework for negotiation, overpriced or not.

The Saints also have a framework specified by the francise tag. It's $64.5 million over three years, then their franchise QB walks away scott free, and most likely very PO'ed. That's $64.5 million in cash, with no deferral to the cap. Brees doesn't want this because there's no long term security. The Saints don't want it because there's no flexibility in the structure and pretty much a guarantees that after that 3 year windows, Brees is gone.

So both have skin in the game. The $18 million/yr offer doesn't make a whole lot of sense now. Brees of course wants his dollars guaranteed and frontloaded so that injury or decline (I'm not sure that's possible, but you never know) doesn't jeopardize the total value of the contract. The Saints need cost stability and the flexibility to improve the team. Both have skin in the game.

This is why it's not going to be an instant process even though that's what the fanbase wants. I reiterate that after this is all over, everyone is on the same team again. So in the end both sides will get some of what they want, and have to give up some of what they want too. The objective is to to walk away with both sides satisfied that the best deal to be had was made.

They are just not there yet.

SFIAH

05-12-2012, 11:52 AM	#26
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	I originally threw out a hypothetical 5/yr $115 million with $75 million in the first three years. Originally Posted by FinSaint So, that would be an annual cap hit of about $25M for the first 3 years, because he (Condon & Brees) would undoubtedly want it all to be guaranteed money, which is as much as they've said? Not exactly. That would include the signing bonus, which is spread over all 5 years. So the cap hit will come in lower. How could the Saints keep the rest of the team on the competitive level it is at the moment with a $25M cap hit for - admittedly the most important, but nevertheless - a single player? I'd be OK with that figure if the cap was about $10 to $15 million more than it is at the moment, but since there's some disagreement about whether the cap is going to chance with the new TV deals - $25M is too much. And I agree with you burningmetal, the Broncos way over paid for Manning and it's ridiculous that these players feel automatically deserving of the same salary - and a little more - when another guy signs a big contract. I think ya'll think that the Saints should pay this. I don't. But I do want you to understand that the agent asking for this isn't really all that unreasonable. It's like all negotiations: ask high (Brees/Condon) and offer low(Saints) then find a way to meet in the middle. BTW whether or not the Broncos overpaid is irrelevant. Manning's deal and Johnson's deal provide a framework for negotiation, overpriced or not. The Saints also have a framework specified by the francise tag. It's $64.5 million over three years, then their franchise QB walks away scott free, and most likely very PO'ed. That's $64.5 million in cash, with no deferral to the cap. Brees doesn't want this because there's no long term security. The Saints don't want it because there's no flexibility in the structure and pretty much a guarantees that after that 3 year windows, Brees is gone. So both have skin in the game. The $18 million/yr offer doesn't make a whole lot of sense now. Brees of course wants his dollars guaranteed and frontloaded so that injury or decline (I'm not sure that's possible, but you never know) doesn't jeopardize the total value of the contract. The Saints need cost stability and the flexibility to improve the team. Both have skin in the game. This is why it's not going to be an instant process even though that's what the fanbase wants. I reiterate that after this is all over, everyone is on the same team again. So in the end both sides will get some of what they want, and have to give up some of what they want too. The objective is to to walk away with both sides satisfied that the best deal to be had was made. They are just not there yet. SFIAH
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