NFL’s outside lawyer calls evidence against Saints players “quite strong”

Rugby Saint II · 05-03-2012, 09:20 PM

What is quite strong is the bad smell this has to it.

jeanpierre · 05-03-2012, 10:01 PM

Facing your accusers is a right of due process...

onebyone · 05-03-2012, 10:03 PM

We're all just supposed to take some random lawyer's word for it? Seriously?

The blantant efforts to keep from showing the so called strong evidence is pretty telling.

Beastmode · 05-03-2012, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

CAN WE JUST MOVE ALONG!

I'm at the point where I don't care about the evidence anymore.....

I would be at that point but not until the evidence is presentend and examined in a REAL court of law. I actually care about this more than the entire NFL season. If they are proven guilty fine, but right now the NFL's methods are unfair and unjust and that is not a system anyone in this country should be judged by.

alexonfyre · 05-04-2012, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I would be at that point but not until the evidence is presentend and examined in a REAL court of law. I actually care about this more than the entire NFL season. If they are proven guilty fine, but right now the NFL's methods are unfair and unjust and that is not a system anyone in this country should be judged by.

This. I want to see the players and coaches involved get their right of due process satisfied by the US legal system....

I don't know if I really understood this saying until now but: "Our legal system is one of the worst, but its the best one we've got."

NOS2SB · 05-04-2012, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

The NFL lawyer says the evidence is strong. Okay. Fine.

SHOW IT

Agreed. How can the players lawyers disagree when they don't have the evidence.

pinch · 05-04-2012, 09:06 AM

The more I think about this, the more I think that the NFL's trump card could be Greg Williams himself. What else could kick off Coach Williams 'pennance tour' like solidifying the NFL's case against the players?

One way or another it's going to come down to someone's personal account. I remember a SportsCaster (Adam Schefter?) saying that he saw this happen in person, but having someone like Williams point the finger could be the best evidence possible.

saintfan · 05-04-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I would be at that point but not until the evidence is presentend and examined in a REAL court of law. I actually care about this more than the entire NFL season. If they are proven guilty fine, but right now the NFL's methods are unfair and unjust and that is not a system anyone in this country should be judged by.

This is where I'm living too. If guilty based on evidence provided to the people in question, then do your time. But right now I'm not willing to just be happy it's behind us. Not even close.

pherein · 05-04-2012, 09:25 AM

Mary Jo Whites statements are usual for counsel, but oddly enough still provide no evidence. In fact why is she speaking up for Goodell's position at all at this time?
Seems and odd thing to do, unless your trying to prevent Vilma from civil/legal action.
I mean what is the purpose of it. He was obviously told her to make these statements.
And her statement come down to this " Oh, believe me and roger, they are guilt"

Her motive to me are much more interesting than anything she said, we have all heard this before.

saintfan · 05-04-2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

Mary Jo Whites statements are usual for counsel, but oddly enough still provide no evidence. In fact why is she speaking up for Goodell's position at all at this time?
Seems and odd thing to do, unless your trying to prevent Vilma from civil/legal action.
I mean what is the purpose of it. He was obviously told her to make these statements.
And her statement come down to this " Oh, believe me and roger, they are guilt"

Her motive to me are much more interesting than anything she said, we have all heard this before.

It's the question I want so badly for a journalist (where is the NY Times - they LOVE this kinda stuff) to ask. You keep SAYING you have all this iron clad, damning evidence, and yet you refuse to show it. WHY?

I like that her participation is referred to on ESPN as an 'independent' observation. The NFL paid this woman. Uh...hello?

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by Halo CAN WE JUST MOVE ALONG! I'm at the point where I don't care about the evidence anymore..... I would be at that point but not until the evidence is presentend and examined in a REAL court of law. I actually care about this more than the entire NFL season. If they are proven guilty fine, but right now the NFL's methods are unfair and unjust and that is not a system anyone in this country should be judged by. saintfan likes this.
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alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by Beastmode I would be at that point but not until the evidence is presentend and examined in a REAL court of law. I actually care about this more than the entire NFL season. If they are proven guilty fine, but right now the NFL's methods are unfair and unjust and that is not a system anyone in this country should be judged by. This. I want to see the players and coaches involved get their right of due process satisfied by the US legal system.... I don't know if I really understood this saying until now but: "Our legal system is one of the worst, but its the best one we've got."

05-04-2012, 12:30 AM	#16
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Originally Posted by saintfan The NFL lawyer says the evidence is strong. Okay. Fine. SHOW IT Agreed. How can the players lawyers disagree when they don't have the evidence.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Beastmode I would be at that point but not until the evidence is presentend and examined in a REAL court of law. I actually care about this more than the entire NFL season. If they are proven guilty fine, but right now the NFL's methods are unfair and unjust and that is not a system anyone in this country should be judged by. This is where I'm living too. If guilty based on evidence provided to the people in question, then do your time. But right now I'm not willing to just be happy it's behind us. Not even close.

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pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Mary Jo Whites statements are usual for counsel, but oddly enough still provide no evidence. In fact why is she speaking up for Goodell's position at all at this time? Seems and odd thing to do, unless your trying to prevent Vilma from civil/legal action. I mean what is the purpose of it. He was obviously told her to make these statements. And her statement come down to this " Oh, believe me and roger, they are guilt" Her motive to me are much more interesting than anything she said, we have all heard this before.
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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by pherein Mary Jo Whites statements are usual for counsel, but oddly enough still provide no evidence. In fact why is she speaking up for Goodell's position at all at this time? Seems and odd thing to do, unless your trying to prevent Vilma from civil/legal action. I mean what is the purpose of it. He was obviously told her to make these statements. And her statement come down to this " Oh, believe me and roger, they are guilt" Her motive to me are much more interesting than anything she said, we have all heard this before. It's the question I want so badly for a journalist (where is the NY Times - they LOVE this kinda stuff) to ask. You keep SAYING you have all this iron clad, damning evidence, and yet you refuse to show it. WHY? I like that her participation is referred to on ESPN as an 'independent' observation. The NFL paid this woman. Uh...hello? iceshack149 and pherein like this.