Ornstein's prison e-mail disputed by NFLPA

savoyk · 05-10-2012, 10:42 PM

[quote=RockyMountainSaint;404843]

Originally Posted by savoyk

It was an inside joke.
It wasn't sent to SP or GW. It was forwarded to them.
Btw, just because someone goes to prison doesn't mean everyone they know should cut them out of their life.

I got that, I think you misinterpreted my response to the previous quote. Was meant to show that it wouldn't be reasonable for him to do what the NFL says he did. Thanks for clearing up for me anyway though

RockyMountainSaint · 05-10-2012, 10:49 PM

[quote=savoyk;404856]

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

I got that, I think you misinterpreted my response to the previous quote. Was meant to show that it wouldn't be reasonable for him to do what the NFL says he did. Thanks for clearing up for me anyway though

It's the internet. Most Nuance is lost.
My bad for misinterpreting your post.

I certainly agree with your post!

saintfan · 05-10-2012, 10:50 PM

This is why I say ROGER GOODELL MUST BE MADE TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE!!!

Failing that the players should go on freaking strike if that's what it takes to end this, because it won't stop here. Roger is out of control and must be stopped.

savoyk · 05-10-2012, 10:52 PM

[quote=RockyMountainSaint;404857]

Originally Posted by savoyk

It's the internet. Most Nuance is lost.
My bad for misinterpreting your post.

I certainly agree with your post!

Yep! I def see how it could be taken the wrong way. lol!

RockyMountainSaint · 05-10-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

This is why I say ROGER GOODELL MUST BE MADE TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE!!!

Failing that the players should go on freaking strike if that's what it takes to end this, because it won't stop here. Roger is out of control and must be stopped.

If Attorney General Eric Holder can disregard Congress' subpoena for proof (Fast & Furious) , why should good ol Rog worry?

I went there.........

TXGSP · 05-11-2012, 12:52 AM

The more I see the "evidence" it paints a worse viewpoint of the NFL.

The Hargrove declaration apparently being twisted to what the league wanted to say it stated and proved.
The e-mail from Ornstein appears to have been twisted as well according to the reports.

With this and the original testimony from the NFL regarding concussions it paints a larger picture (IMO) that the league will twist anything to their viewpoint. Just find an attorney to give a report of that viewpoint and they run with it no turning back.

If this turns out to be the case, it makes my viewpoint of the owners worse. Are they looking for nothing but a "YES MAN" for the positions in the league?

TheOak · 05-11-2012, 05:52 AM

In the absence of "LOLZ", its very serious.

Did anyone get to hear Vilma's lawyer Peter Ginsberg on NFL Sirius yesterday around 430? He was on for about 20 mins...

His synopsis is Goodell acted to quickly o evidence he did not have yet and now does not know how to back out of it.

Lots of good stuff. Chances the public will see the evidence is very low as in with Spygate.

AsylumGuido · 05-11-2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Just check his bank accounts. If he had no money then it's a joke. Unless of course he's bartering with juicy fruit.

He had no money. That's why he was scalping tickets and trying to sell bogus jerseys. He supposedly lost everything on some business venture that went bad.

iceshack149 · 05-11-2012, 10:12 AM

"The NFL has not provided the players with any information like this," Smith said. "It is unfortunate that they continue to withhold evidence that can show players' innocence. This email proves what we have feared: what they've been selling to the media as evidence doesn't match up with the truth."

I hate this book. Anyone have the cliff notes?

TheOak · 05-11-2012, 12:05 PM

WE as fans will NEVER see the evidence.

EG. Video gate - tapes were burned.

The Players "may", but the CBA does not have any stipulation in it that ALL evidence has to be shown. I am sure the NFL lawyers believe they have shown "enough" to satisfy any court that they in "good faith" showed "some".

To be quite honest, and I know this is very unpopular sentiment, I hope the evidence never goes public. People WILL read into each piece and take what they want from it.... In other words, their present opinion will not change.

Haterz are going to Hate!

05-10-2012, 10:42 PM	#11
savoyk 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 144	[quote=RockyMountainSaint;404843] Originally Posted by savoyk It was an inside joke. It wasn't sent to SP or GW. It was forwarded to them. Btw, just because someone goes to prison doesn't mean everyone they know should cut them out of their life. I got that, I think you misinterpreted my response to the previous quote. Was meant to show that it wouldn't be reasonable for him to do what the NFL says he did. Thanks for clearing up for me anyway though RockyMountainSaint likes this.
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05-10-2012, 10:49 PM	#12
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	[quote=savoyk;404856] Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint I got that, I think you misinterpreted my response to the previous quote. Was meant to show that it wouldn't be reasonable for him to do what the NFL says he did. Thanks for clearing up for me anyway though It's the internet. Most Nuance is lost. My bad for misinterpreting your post. I certainly agree with your post! savoyk likes this.

05-10-2012, 10:50 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	This is why I say ROGER GOODELL MUST BE MADE TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE!!! Failing that the players should go on freaking strike if that's what it takes to end this, because it won't stop here. Roger is out of control and must be stopped. SmashMouth likes this.

05-10-2012, 10:52 PM	#14
savoyk 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 144	[quote=RockyMountainSaint;404857] Originally Posted by savoyk It's the internet. Most Nuance is lost. My bad for misinterpreting your post. I certainly agree with your post! Yep! I def see how it could be taken the wrong way. lol!
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05-10-2012, 10:53 PM	#15
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by saintfan This is why I say ROGER GOODELL MUST BE MADE TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE!!! Failing that the players should go on freaking strike if that's what it takes to end this, because it won't stop here. Roger is out of control and must be stopped. If Attorney General Eric Holder can disregard Congress' subpoena for proof (Fast & Furious) , why should good ol Rog worry? I went there......... saintfan and TheOak like this.

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TXGSP LET MY TEAM GO! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Just north of COWGAL HELL Posts: 296	The more I see the "evidence" it paints a worse viewpoint of the NFL. The Hargrove declaration apparently being twisted to what the league wanted to say it stated and proved. The e-mail from Ornstein appears to have been twisted as well according to the reports. With this and the original testimony from the NFL regarding concussions it paints a larger picture (IMO) that the league will twist anything to their viewpoint. Just find an attorney to give a report of that viewpoint and they run with it no turning back. If this turns out to be the case, it makes my viewpoint of the owners worse. Are they looking for nothing but a "YES MAN" for the positions in the league?
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05-11-2012, 05:52 AM	#17
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	In the absence of "LOLZ", its very serious. Did anyone get to hear Vilma's lawyer Peter Ginsberg on NFL Sirius yesterday around 430? He was on for about 20 mins... His synopsis is Goodell acted to quickly o evidence he did not have yet and now does not know how to back out of it. Lots of good stuff. Chances the public will see the evidence is very low as in with Spygate.

05-11-2012, 08:24 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Originally Posted by Beastmode Just check his bank accounts. If he had no money then it's a joke. Unless of course he's bartering with juicy fruit. He had no money. That's why he was scalping tickets and trying to sell bogus jerseys. He supposedly lost everything on some business venture that went bad.

05-11-2012, 10:12 AM	#19
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	"The NFL has not provided the players with any information like this," Smith said. "It is unfortunate that they continue to withhold evidence that can show players' innocence. This email proves what we have feared: what they've been selling to the media as evidence doesn't match up with the truth." I hate this book. Anyone have the cliff notes?

05-11-2012, 12:05 PM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	WE as fans will NEVER see the evidence. EG. Video gate - tapes were burned. The Players "may", but the CBA does not have any stipulation in it that ALL evidence has to be shown. I am sure the NFL lawyers believe they have shown "enough" to satisfy any court that they in "good faith" showed "some". To be quite honest, and I know this is very unpopular sentiment, I hope the evidence never goes public. People WILL read into each piece and take what they want from it.... In other words, their present opinion will not change. Haterz are going to Hate!
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