Hearings for suspended New Orleans Saints players will be Wednesday, May 30, according to lawyer

RockyMountainSaint · 05-12-2012, 04:24 PM

Saints grievance hearings coming on May 16, 30 | ProFootballTalk
Ginsberg, who represents Vilma, said that the two grievances filed earlier this month will be heard on May 16 and May 30.

The first hearing will focus on the argument that the new CBA prevents the NFL from taking action of any kind against players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, along with the question of whether the appeals should be heard not by Commissioner Roger Goodell but by Ted Cottrell or Art Shell, jointly hired and paid by the league and the NFLPA to resolve appeals for on-field discipline.

The May 30 hearing centers on the contention that, to the extent the discipline arises from extra money paid to players in violation of the salary cap, the matter should be resolved via Special Master Stephen Burbank.

Ginsberg also said that the league still has not given him or the NFLPA evidence proving that the players funded or received payments from a bounty program, and he confirmed that other legal proceedings could be utilized. The ultimate goal is to find a forum that will compel the NFL to share the evidence it has gathered regarding the question of whether the players are guilty, or innocent.

One way or the other, it’s only fair for the NFL to eventually disclose the evidence, and to provide a fair opportunity for Ginsberg and the NFLPA to scrutinize it.

ScottF · 05-12-2012, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

Saints grievance hearings coming on May 16, 30 | ProFootballTalk
Ginsberg, who represents Vilma, said that the two grievances filed earlier this month will be heard on May 16 and May 30.

The first hearing will focus on the argument that the new CBA prevents the NFL from taking action of any kind against players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, along with the question of whether the appeals should be heard not by Commissioner Roger Goodell but by Ted Cottrell or Art Shell, jointly hired and paid by the league and the NFLPA to resolve appeals for on-field discipline.

The May 30 hearing centers on the contention that, to the extent the discipline arises from extra money paid to players in violation of the salary cap, the matter should be resolved via Special Master Stephen Burbank.

Ginsberg also said that the league still has not given him or the NFLPA evidence proving that the players funded or received payments from a bounty program, and he confirmed that other legal proceedings could be utilized. The ultimate goal is to find a forum that will compel the NFL to share the evidence it has gathered regarding the question of whether the players are guilty, or innocent.

One way or the other, it’s only fair for the NFL to eventually disclose the evidence, and to provide a fair opportunity for Ginsberg and the NFLPA to scrutinize it.

So again, no evidence. Please be on time for your hearing. Appeal denied.

SmashMouth · 05-13-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

So again, no evidence. Please be on time for your hearing. Appeal denied.

Can't wait for the process to proceed in front of public courts, judicial and otherwise. Relinquish the evidence, if there is any RG!

Beastmode · 05-13-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Can't wait for the process to proceed in front of public courts, judicial and otherwise. Relinquish the evidence, if there is any RG!

That wait will be a long one. There are so many issues that have to be dealt with... the CBA contract with mulltiple discrepanies, other issues the NFLPA has not stated, then the actual suspensions and evidence. Top that off with more appeals. It's going to take years to resolve the whole thing. The main thing the NFLPA needs to work on is re-instating players until it is resolved. Very similar to Star Caps in that the NFL may have violated State and or Federal laws in regards to contracts.

ScottF · 05-13-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

That wait will be a long one. There are so many issues that have to be dealt with... the CBA contract with mulltiple discrepanies, other issues the NFLPA has not stated, then the actual suspensions and evidence. Top that off with more appeals. It's going to take years to resolve the whole thing. The main thing the NFLPA needs to work on is re-instating players until it is resolved. Very similar to Star Caps in that the NFL may have violated State and or Federal laws in regards to contracts.

all true, which all means Vilma might be playing against the Redskins.
How long was Starcaps, 2 full seasons?

Beastmode · 05-13-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

all true, which all means Vilma might be playing against the Redskins.
How long was Starcaps, 2 full seasons?

Exactly, the main component of that case was over a a state law that the players were not notified by the NFL within 3 days and less to do with the substance. This case is that one on steroids which is why I find it odd there are no reports stating that all player suspensions could be put on hold. It's a real scenario that, in the end, could have nothing to do with bounties. It could come down to breaches of the CBA. The players could play for a couple more years until a verdict is reached. Even if they lose it would not matter considering their ages. The NFL would be left with a a big bill and a bunch of retired players.

05-12-2012, 04:24 PM	#1
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Saints grievance hearings coming on May 16, 30 \| ProFootballTalk Ginsberg, who represents Vilma, said that the two grievances filed earlier this month will be heard on May 16 and May 30. The first hearing will focus on the argument that the new CBA prevents the NFL from taking action of any kind against players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, along with the question of whether the appeals should be heard not by Commissioner Roger Goodell but by Ted Cottrell or Art Shell, jointly hired and paid by the league and the NFLPA to resolve appeals for on-field discipline. The May 30 hearing centers on the contention that, to the extent the discipline arises from extra money paid to players in violation of the salary cap, the matter should be resolved via Special Master Stephen Burbank. Ginsberg also said that the league still has not given him or the NFLPA evidence proving that the players funded or received payments from a bounty program, and he confirmed that other legal proceedings could be utilized. The ultimate goal is to find a forum that will compel the NFL to share the evidence it has gathered regarding the question of whether the players are guilty, or innocent. One way or the other, it’s only fair for the NFL to eventually disclose the evidence, and to provide a fair opportunity for Ginsberg and the NFLPA to scrutinize it. SmashMouth likes this.
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05-12-2012, 11:59 PM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint Saints grievance hearings coming on May 16, 30 \| ProFootballTalk Ginsberg, who represents Vilma, said that the two grievances filed earlier this month will be heard on May 16 and May 30. The first hearing will focus on the argument that the new CBA prevents the NFL from taking action of any kind against players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, along with the question of whether the appeals should be heard not by Commissioner Roger Goodell but by Ted Cottrell or Art Shell, jointly hired and paid by the league and the NFLPA to resolve appeals for on-field discipline. The May 30 hearing centers on the contention that, to the extent the discipline arises from extra money paid to players in violation of the salary cap, the matter should be resolved via Special Master Stephen Burbank. Ginsberg also said that the league still has not given him or the NFLPA evidence proving that the players funded or received payments from a bounty program, and he confirmed that other legal proceedings could be utilized. The ultimate goal is to find a forum that will compel the NFL to share the evidence it has gathered regarding the question of whether the players are guilty, or innocent. One way or the other, it’s only fair for the NFL to eventually disclose the evidence, and to provide a fair opportunity for Ginsberg and the NFLPA to scrutinize it. So again, no evidence. Please be on time for your hearing. Appeal denied.

05-13-2012, 04:35 PM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,755 Blog Entries: 29	Originally Posted by ScottF So again, no evidence. Please be on time for your hearing. Appeal denied. Can't wait for the process to proceed in front of public courts, judicial and otherwise. Relinquish the evidence, if there is any RG!

05-13-2012, 05:18 PM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by SmashMouth Can't wait for the process to proceed in front of public courts, judicial and otherwise. Relinquish the evidence, if there is any RG! That wait will be a long one. There are so many issues that have to be dealt with... the CBA contract with mulltiple discrepanies, other issues the NFLPA has not stated, then the actual suspensions and evidence. Top that off with more appeals. It's going to take years to resolve the whole thing. The main thing the NFLPA needs to work on is re-instating players until it is resolved. Very similar to Star Caps in that the NFL may have violated State and or Federal laws in regards to contracts.
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05-13-2012, 05:20 PM	#5
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Beastmode That wait will be a long one. There are so many issues that have to be dealt with... the CBA contract with mulltiple discrepanies, other issues the NFLPA has not stated, then the actual suspensions and evidence. Top that off with more appeals. It's going to take years to resolve the whole thing. The main thing the NFLPA needs to work on is re-instating players until it is resolved. Very similar to Star Caps in that the NFL may have violated State and or Federal laws in regards to contracts. all true, which all means Vilma might be playing against the Redskins. How long was Starcaps, 2 full seasons?

05-13-2012, 08:57 PM	#6
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by ScottF all true, which all means Vilma might be playing against the Redskins. How long was Starcaps, 2 full seasons? Exactly, the main component of that case was over a a state law that the players were not notified by the NFL within 3 days and less to do with the substance. This case is that one on steroids which is why I find it odd there are no reports stating that all player suspensions could be put on hold. It's a real scenario that, in the end, could have nothing to do with bounties. It could come down to breaches of the CBA. The players could play for a couple more years until a verdict is reached. Even if they lose it would not matter considering their ages. The NFL would be left with a a big bill and a bunch of retired players.
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