Saints don’t think Mark Ingram will be 100 percent when camp starts

WhoDat!656 · 05-15-2012, 06:24 PM

Saints coach Joe Vitt addressed running back Mark Ingram’s health in a press conference on Monday and his assessment wasn’t entirely positive.

According to Vitt, Ingram, who had arthroscopic knee surgery 10 days ago, won’t be ready to fully go when the team starts training camp this summer. He expects him to be up to full speed by the start of the season, but Jeff Triplett of the New Orleans Times-Picayune reports that the team will “back off” Ingram until he’s 100 percent recovered.

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|Mitch| · 05-15-2012, 06:35 PM

Nothing to worry about, it's only training camp...

AsylumGuido · 05-15-2012, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Nothing to worry about, it's only training camp...

Yeah. No need for the thumbs down thingy.

WhoDat!656 · 05-15-2012, 07:11 PM

Is Ingram not being 100% worthy of a thumbs up?

AllSaints · 05-15-2012, 07:33 PM

Well hope he shows us this year he was worth it trading to get him

Luda34 · 05-15-2012, 07:49 PM

Another chance for Ivory to show his ass

Rugby Saint II · 05-15-2012, 10:33 PM

It's better to wait and be safe.

burningmetal · 05-16-2012, 05:03 AM

I still don't get it. What was so special about this guy in the first place? Yeah, he won a Heisman, but a lot of Heisman winners have been crap in the NFL. I never saw anything about his game that was worth trading up to get him, when we were already crowded in the backfield. And that was before we signed Sproles. Plus, he had some nagging injuries at Alabama, so that was another concern.

I hope he makes use of himself at some point soon, but right now the way I see it, we have two guys who can't stay healthy - Ingram and Ivory - and when they ARE healthy, there is no question that Ivory is a far better player right now. So, it's difficult to imagine Ingram having a future here. But, anything can happen. He does have some talent even though I thought he was a wasted pick.

TheOak · 05-16-2012, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I still don't get it. What was so special about this guy in the first place? Yeah, he won a Heisman, but a lot of Heisman winners have been crap in the NFL. I never saw anything about his game that was worth trading up to get him, when we were already crowded in the backfield. And that was before we signed Sproles. Plus, he had some nagging injuries at Alabama, so that was another concern.

I hope he makes use of himself at some point soon, but right now the way I see it, we have two guys who can't stay healthy - Ingram and Ivory - and when they ARE healthy, there is no question that Ivory is a far better player right now. So, it's difficult to imagine Ingram having a future here. But, anything can happen. He does have some talent even though I thought he was a wasted pick.

I do not disagree with his performance last year. I do cut him a little slack due to the nature of his rookie season.

A rookie year is a transition year for any player. A rookie year with no OTA's, mini camp, preseason training just makes "finding a groove" that much more difficult.

Last year he averaged 3.9 YPC which puts him right in line with Chris Johnson, Amahd Bradshaw.. Which is also better than Addai, Jacobs, Green-Ellis and Tomlinson....

If you are looking at TD's well, that is a function of utilization.. But he was still in line with PThomas, Jackson, and Blount.

So what exactly about his rookie season was so terrible? Spreading the ball like we do also does not help someone have a stellar rookie year.

burningmetal · 05-17-2012, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I do not disagree with his performance last year. I do cut him a little slack due to the nature of his rookie season.

A rookie year is a transition year for any player. A rookie year with no OTA's, mini camp, preseason training just makes "finding a groove" that much more difficult.

Last year he averaged 3.9 YPC which puts him right in line with Chris Johnson, Amahd Bradshaw.. Which is also better than Addai, Jacobs, Green-Ellis and Tomlinson....

If you are looking at TD's well, that is a function of utilization.. But he was still in line with PThomas, Jackson, and Blount.

So what exactly about his rookie season was so terrible? Spreading the ball like we do also does not help someone have a stellar rookie year.

Well I agree that spreading the ball around doesn't help his stats, but to answer your question, it isn't his number of yards or touchdowns that failed to impress me. He didn't run with much authority, but for a few nice runs that were good to see. He didn't display good vision, and that was the number one thing that was always said about him in college, was his vision, so that was disappointing. I understand not being used to the system and the speed of this level, but when you have a hole and fail to see it or hit it with much authority, that's just plain not getting it done.

And the RB's you mentioned with their YPC last year, with the exception of Johnson and Bradshaw, are all well past their prime. And though Johnson and Bradshaw are still young and obviously are talented, there is no denying that they had very disappointing seasons. Especially Johnson. So, the fact that Ingram's average per carry was comparable to theirs was not really a good thing. But again, it wasn't really the raw statistics that bothered me as much as the fact that he looked slow, and seemed to run with tunnel vision at times.

Lastly, the nagging injuries weren't too encouraging.

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05-15-2012, 06:37 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,547	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Nothing to worry about, it's only training camp... Yeah. No need for the thumbs down thingy.

05-16-2012, 05:03 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	I still don't get it. What was so special about this guy in the first place? Yeah, he won a Heisman, but a lot of Heisman winners have been crap in the NFL. I never saw anything about his game that was worth trading up to get him, when we were already crowded in the backfield. And that was before we signed Sproles. Plus, he had some nagging injuries at Alabama, so that was another concern. I hope he makes use of himself at some point soon, but right now the way I see it, we have two guys who can't stay healthy - Ingram and Ivory - and when they ARE healthy, there is no question that Ivory is a far better player right now. So, it's difficult to imagine Ingram having a future here. But, anything can happen. He does have some talent even though I thought he was a wasted pick.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-16-2012, 06:38 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,042	Originally Posted by burningmetal I still don't get it. What was so special about this guy in the first place? Yeah, he won a Heisman, but a lot of Heisman winners have been crap in the NFL. I never saw anything about his game that was worth trading up to get him, when we were already crowded in the backfield. And that was before we signed Sproles. Plus, he had some nagging injuries at Alabama, so that was another concern. I hope he makes use of himself at some point soon, but right now the way I see it, we have two guys who can't stay healthy - Ingram and Ivory - and when they ARE healthy, there is no question that Ivory is a far better player right now. So, it's difficult to imagine Ingram having a future here. But, anything can happen. He does have some talent even though I thought he was a wasted pick. I do not disagree with his performance last year. I do cut him a little slack due to the nature of his rookie season. A rookie year is a transition year for any player. A rookie year with no OTA's, mini camp, preseason training just makes "finding a groove" that much more difficult. Last year he averaged 3.9 YPC which puts him right in line with Chris Johnson, Amahd Bradshaw.. Which is also better than Addai, Jacobs, Green-Ellis and Tomlinson.... If you are looking at TD's well, that is a function of utilization.. But he was still in line with PThomas, Jackson, and Blount. So what exactly about his rookie season was so terrible? Spreading the ball like we do also does not help someone have a stellar rookie year. Danno, darstep, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-17-2012, 04:14 AM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack I do not disagree with his performance last year. I do cut him a little slack due to the nature of his rookie season. A rookie year is a transition year for any player. A rookie year with no OTA's, mini camp, preseason training just makes "finding a groove" that much more difficult. Last year he averaged 3.9 YPC which puts him right in line with Chris Johnson, Amahd Bradshaw.. Which is also better than Addai, Jacobs, Green-Ellis and Tomlinson.... If you are looking at TD's well, that is a function of utilization.. But he was still in line with PThomas, Jackson, and Blount. So what exactly about his rookie season was so terrible? Spreading the ball like we do also does not help someone have a stellar rookie year. Well I agree that spreading the ball around doesn't help his stats, but to answer your question, it isn't his number of yards or touchdowns that failed to impress me. He didn't run with much authority, but for a few nice runs that were good to see. He didn't display good vision, and that was the number one thing that was always said about him in college, was his vision, so that was disappointing. I understand not being used to the system and the speed of this level, but when you have a hole and fail to see it or hit it with much authority, that's just plain not getting it done. And the RB's you mentioned with their YPC last year, with the exception of Johnson and Bradshaw, are all well past their prime. And though Johnson and Bradshaw are still young and obviously are talented, there is no denying that they had very disappointing seasons. Especially Johnson. So, the fact that Ingram's average per carry was comparable to theirs was not really a good thing. But again, it wasn't really the raw statistics that bothered me as much as the fact that he looked slow, and seemed to run with tunnel vision at times. Lastly, the nagging injuries weren't too encouraging.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-15-2012, 06:35 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Nothing to worry about, it's only training camp...

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Is Ingram not being 100% worthy of a thumbs up?

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Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Another chance for Ivory to show his ass

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