Shaken and dismayed

turbo_dog · 04-25-2004, 11:53 PM

Hell, Bellichick wanted to trade up and get him with our pick. He said that Smith was the #2 guy on their board. That\'s another thing the Patriots do so well, they stay true to their board.

If that is true then we could have traded back and gotten Wilfork/Carroll and Darryl Smith with the two Patriots picks.

pakowitz · 04-26-2004, 12:21 AM

Scouts from a few teams confirmed that the Patriots attempted to trade up during the first round, once Ohio State defensive end Will Smith began sliding. The Patriots felt Smith would add not only depth but another dimension to their defensive front, and that getting him would permit Richard Seymour to log more snaps at tackle, where he remains a very tough matchup for opponents.

from espn.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/d...len&id=1789271

GoldenTomb · 04-26-2004, 09:04 AM

Hell, Bellichick wanted to trade up and get him with our pick. He said that Smith was the #2 guy on their board. That\'s another thing the Patriots do so well, they stay true to their board.

If that is true then we could have traded back and gotten Wilfork/Carroll and Darryl Smith with the two Patriots picks.

Think outside the box for a minute. Will Smith is the prototype of the next big defensive trend. It was Terrell Suggs before him, and Willie McGinest before him. He can help a defense provide many different looks that will confuse an offense, which is what Haslett wants. He builds his D off of multiple schemes. Someone like Smith can play nearly every down in some capacity ALONG WITH the other DEs. We have what we have so it\'s no use pissing and moaning about it now.

When they say \"he was too good to pass up\" HE\'S TOO GOOD TO PASS UP! They were considering Wilfork, but I can guarantee you no one had Wilfork rated ahead of Smith on their boards.

Danno · 04-26-2004, 09:31 AM

Haz employed a similar strategy in Pittsburgh called the 9 technique. DonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t ask me to explain that one in detail, I just figured out the 1 and 3 technique. But I hear he also did it here with Clemmons and Mitchell early with good success. You basically move Howard just inside the LT and split a LB or DE outside of him for 1 single purpose. RUSH the passer. The Raven do it quite often with Suggs, and I think the Pats also do it.
The LT MUST play Smith, leaving Howard to beat a guard, and possibly a blocking back to the QB. Delhomme, Vick, and Brad Johnson are not happy with our pick.

As I calm down from my CB hissy-fit IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m starting to think we did exactly the right thing in drafting Will Smith. We couldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t get a good trade-down and why reach for a 2nd round CB with the 18th pick? We landed the best DE in the draft. I was thinking we should have picked Wilfork but his negatives were weight control and taking plays off. That sounds a bit too familiar to me.

04-25-2004, 11:53 PM	#11
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Shaken and dismayed Hell, Bellichick wanted to trade up and get him with our pick. He said that Smith was the #2 guy on their board. That\'s another thing the Patriots do so well, they stay true to their board. If that is true then we could have traded back and gotten Wilfork/Carroll and Darryl Smith with the two Patriots picks.

04-26-2004, 12:21 AM	#12
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Shaken and dismayed Scouts from a few teams confirmed that the Patriots attempted to trade up during the first round, once Ohio State defensive end Will Smith began sliding. The Patriots felt Smith would add not only depth but another dimension to their defensive front, and that getting him would permit Richard Seymour to log more snaps at tackle, where he remains a very tough matchup for opponents. from espn.com http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/d...len&id=1789271

04-26-2004, 09:04 AM	#13
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Shaken and dismayed Hell, Bellichick wanted to trade up and get him with our pick. He said that Smith was the #2 guy on their board. That\'s another thing the Patriots do so well, they stay true to their board. If that is true then we could have traded back and gotten Wilfork/Carroll and Darryl Smith with the two Patriots picks. Think outside the box for a minute. Will Smith is the prototype of the next big defensive trend. It was Terrell Suggs before him, and Willie McGinest before him. He can help a defense provide many different looks that will confuse an offense, which is what Haslett wants. He builds his D off of multiple schemes. Someone like Smith can play nearly every down in some capacity ALONG WITH the other DEs. We have what we have so it\'s no use pissing and moaning about it now. When they say \"he was too good to pass up\" HE\'S TOO GOOD TO PASS UP! They were considering Wilfork, but I can guarantee you no one had Wilfork rated ahead of Smith on their boards.
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04-26-2004, 09:31 AM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Shaken and dismayed Haz employed a similar strategy in Pittsburgh called the 9 technique. DonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t ask me to explain that one in detail, I just figured out the 1 and 3 technique. But I hear he also did it here with Clemmons and Mitchell early with good success. You basically move Howard just inside the LT and split a LB or DE outside of him for 1 single purpose. RUSH the passer. The Raven do it quite often with Suggs, and I think the Pats also do it. The LT MUST play Smith, leaving Howard to beat a guard, and possibly a blocking back to the QB. Delhomme, Vick, and Brad Johnson are not happy with our pick. As I calm down from my CB hissy-fit IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m starting to think we did exactly the right thing in drafting Will Smith. We couldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t get a good trade-down and why reach for a 2nd round CB with the 18th pick? We landed the best DE in the draft. I was thinking we should have picked Wilfork but his negatives were weight control and taking plays off. That sounds a bit too familiar to me.

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