Some 'Bountgate' Saints still fighting mad: Railroaded by NFL?

saintfan · 05-21-2012, 03:11 PM

The whole thing is a sad farce. The NFLs angle is transparent. It's a friggin joke, and Saintfan is an angry young (okay not so young) man...

Dasidreidia · 05-21-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

The whole thing is a sad farce. The NFLs angle is transparent. It's a friggin joke, and Saintfan is an angry young (okay not so young) man...

Would that perchance be a Styx reference good sir?

saintfan · 05-21-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dasidreidia

Would that perchance be a Styx reference good sir?

The "young punk" got it! The rest of you old timers should be very ashamed.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-21-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

The "young punk" got it! The rest of you old timers should be very ashamed.

...some of us old timers didn't listen to anything softer than The Clash.

saintfan · 05-21-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

...some of us old timers didn't listen to anything softer than The Clash.

You didn't stand by me, Reiper. No. Not at all...

Halo · 05-21-2012, 05:25 PM

I cannot wrap my head around this single fact:

If the NFL knew about Vilma offering 10k to "knock out" Kurt Warner and Favre, why would they wait 2.5 years to punish Vilma??

It DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!!

Beastmode · 05-21-2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I cannot wrap my head around this single fact:

If the NFL knew about Vilma offering 10k to "knock out" Kurt Warner and Favre, why would they wait 2.5 years to punish Vilma??

It DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!!

the Director of the Vermont School of Law, Michael McCann, spoke specifically about this. If the NFL had critical information early on and allowed it to continue they are going to get waylaid with more lawsuits.

McCann however is leaning towards Goodell being able to avoid Vilma's suit but that depends on how things are interpreted in the CBA as for what Vilma can and can't do. Right now it's a gray area. It really could go either way.

Halo · 05-21-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

McCann however is leaning towards Goodell being able to avoid Vilma's suit but that depends on how things are interpreted in the CBA as for what Vilma can and can't do. Right now it's a gray area. It really could go either way.

Agreed, but this is where I completely disagree with McCann. The Case specifically names Vilma vs. Goodell, in a personal liability lawsuit.

The case gives the court personal jurisdiction over Goodell. The case names Goodell as an individual person, it does not mention the NFL, therefore the CBA is not in play.

For the NFL to enter the case, Goodell must prove he made decisions based on what his employer (the NFL) instructed him to do... but Goodell IS THE AUTHORITY for the NFL, therefore he IS personally responsible.

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2012, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

The "young punk" got it! The rest of you old timers should be very ashamed.

Oh, I got it. I was back stage in 1977 at one of their Grand Illusion tour stops in Greenville, NC. They were fronted by Charlie. We partied with the Charlie gang after the concert.

05-21-2012, 04:01 PM	#2
Dasidreidia 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Charlotte (Kill me), but born in Gretna. Posts: 721	Originally Posted by saintfan The whole thing is a sad farce. The NFLs angle is transparent. It's a friggin joke, and Saintfan is an angry young (okay not so young) man... Would that perchance be a Styx reference good sir? saintfan and SapperSaint like this.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Dasidreidia Would that perchance be a Styx reference good sir? The "young punk" got it! The rest of you old timers should be very ashamed. SapperSaint likes this.

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintfan The "young punk" got it! The rest of you old timers should be very ashamed. ...some of us old timers didn't listen to anything softer than The Clash. saintfan and SapperSaint like this.

05-21-2012, 05:09 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ...some of us old timers didn't listen to anything softer than The Clash. You didn't stand by me, Reiper. No. Not at all...

05-21-2012, 05:25 PM	#6
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,895 Blog Entries: 45	Time difference between 09 playoffs and 2012 I cannot wrap my head around this single fact: If the NFL knew about Vilma offering 10k to "knock out" Kurt Warner and Favre, why would they wait 2.5 years to punish Vilma?? It DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!! SapperSaint and Beastmode like this.

05-21-2012, 03:11 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	The whole thing is a sad farce. The NFLs angle is transparent. It's a friggin joke, and Saintfan is an angry young (okay not so young) man...

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by Halo I cannot wrap my head around this single fact: If the NFL knew about Vilma offering 10k to "knock out" Kurt Warner and Favre, why would they wait 2.5 years to punish Vilma?? It DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!! the Director of the Vermont School of Law, Michael McCann, spoke specifically about this. If the NFL had critical information early on and allowed it to continue they are going to get waylaid with more lawsuits. McCann however is leaning towards Goodell being able to avoid Vilma's suit but that depends on how things are interpreted in the CBA as for what Vilma can and can't do. Right now it's a gray area. It really could go either way.
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05-21-2012, 06:53 PM	#8
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,895 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by Beastmode McCann however is leaning towards Goodell being able to avoid Vilma's suit but that depends on how things are interpreted in the CBA as for what Vilma can and can't do. Right now it's a gray area. It really could go either way. Agreed, but this is where I completely disagree with McCann. The Case specifically names Vilma vs. Goodell, in a personal liability lawsuit. The case gives the court personal jurisdiction over Goodell. The case names Goodell as an individual person, it does not mention the NFL, therefore the CBA is not in play. For the NFL to enter the case, Goodell must prove he made decisions based on what his employer (the NFL) instructed him to do... but Goodell IS THE AUTHORITY for the NFL, therefore he IS personally responsible.

05-21-2012, 07:03 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Originally Posted by saintfan The "young punk" got it! The rest of you old timers should be very ashamed. Oh, I got it. I was back stage in 1977 at one of their Grand Illusion tour stops in Greenville, NC. They were fronted by Charlie. We partied with the Charlie gang after the concert.

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