Vilma lawsuit puts Goodell on the run

TheDeuce · 05-22-2012, 08:27 PM

I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling.

You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel."

Tobias-Reiper · 05-22-2012, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling.

You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel."

... I posted this before, specifically comparing what happened to the tobacco industry with the NFL lawsuits: the issue with the tobacco industry was that their stance was cigarettes were safe, even proclaiming it was healthy to smoke, and had a myriad of ads everywhere stating "physicians and doctors say... " while they had conducted their own studies and those studies indicated smoking was really not good for one's health.

The NFL is facing a similar problem in that NFL doctors, from its top league doctor to team physicians, trainers, etc., basically proclaimed and told players that concussions were "safe" and had no repercussions in the future. This is documented, so...

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mutineer10 · 05-23-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

the issue with the tobacco industry was that their stance was cigarettes were safe, even proclaiming it was healthy to smoke, and had a myriad of ads everywhere stating "physicians and doctors say... " while they had conducted their own studies and those studies indicated smoking was really not good for one's health. [

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

Smoking is NOT safe???

saintfan · 05-22-2012, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling.

You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel."

No. The league knew concussions were dangerous and not only did nothing about it but continued to send players onto the field when they should not have been allowed onto the field.

This is the smoking gun that Roger cannot avoid no matter how many people he fines and suspends and no number of new 'safety' rules will make this go away. The NFL is up a creek, and Roger knows it. What we are seeing are the acts of a man desperate to influence a jury ahead of it's selection.

Ira Casson - No, No, No - YouTube

burningmetal · 05-23-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling.

You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel."

I agree that players put themselves out there and should have known the risks. I have stated this in several previous posts. Players need to know their limits and know when to stop.

But here's the problem that I think you've missed: This isn't a matter of whether or not the players are partially responsible for what happens/happened to them. The issue is that the NFL knew what was happening to players, and never did anything to stop it because the game was too popular to mess with. But now that these retired players have decided to sue, whether we agree with them or not, it has sent the NFL scrambling for a way out. And so now that they dug up, or possibly made up something on the Saints, they're pretending to care about player safety, and acting as if they never knew concussions could cause long term brain damage. We know that both the players and the league had to know the dangers, but both are playing dumb. Common sense should tell anyone that getting hit in the head repeatedly is not good for you, regardless of what a doctor says. If it were me, I'd seek an outside opinion rather than trust a team doctor. Companies, corporations, politicians and in this case a league have been misleading people for years in the quest for money and power. Anyone who doesn't know that is incredibly ignorant. But at the same time, there is no excuse for the league doctors to lie, and so they should be held responsible in some way.

The Saints, however, have nothing to do with that lawsuit. We're the scapegoat. So yes, the NFL did make billions off of it's violent nature, and for them to suddenly throw a team under the bus to deflect blame from themselves is cowardly. I do not support the lawsuit by the retired players because I believe both parties are at fault, but the NFL's response has been highly hypocritical, dishonest and unfair. That, my friend, is the problem.

05-22-2012, 08:27 PM	#1
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling. You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel."
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05-22-2012, 09:03 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by TheDeuce I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling. You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel." ... I posted this before, specifically comparing what happened to the tobacco industry with the NFL lawsuits: the issue with the tobacco industry was that their stance was cigarettes were safe, even proclaiming it was healthy to smoke, and had a myriad of ads everywhere stating "physicians and doctors say... " while they had conducted their own studies and those studies indicated smoking was really not good for one's health. The NFL is facing a similar problem in that NFL doctors, from its top league doctor to team physicians, trainers, etc., basically proclaimed and told players that concussions were "safe" and had no repercussions in the future. This is documented, so... [ sharke likes this.
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05-23-2012, 10:47 AM	#3
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper the issue with the tobacco industry was that their stance was cigarettes were safe, even proclaiming it was healthy to smoke, and had a myriad of ads everywhere stating "physicians and doctors say... " while they had conducted their own studies and those studies indicated smoking was really not good for one's health. [ Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! Smoking is NOT safe??? saintfan, Tobias-Reiper and sharke like this.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by TheDeuce I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling. You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel." I agree that players put themselves out there and should have known the risks. I have stated this in several previous posts. Players need to know their limits and know when to stop. But here's the problem that I think you've missed: This isn't a matter of whether or not the players are partially responsible for what happens/happened to them. The issue is that the NFL knew what was happening to players, and never did anything to stop it because the game was too popular to mess with. But now that these retired players have decided to sue, whether we agree with them or not, it has sent the NFL scrambling for a way out. And so now that they dug up, or possibly made up something on the Saints, they're pretending to care about player safety, and acting as if they never knew concussions could cause long term brain damage. We know that both the players and the league had to know the dangers, but both are playing dumb. Common sense should tell anyone that getting hit in the head repeatedly is not good for you, regardless of what a doctor says. If it were me, I'd seek an outside opinion rather than trust a team doctor. Companies, corporations, politicians and in this case a league have been misleading people for years in the quest for money and power. Anyone who doesn't know that is incredibly ignorant. But at the same time, there is no excuse for the league doctors to lie, and so they should be held responsible in some way. The Saints, however, have nothing to do with that lawsuit. We're the scapegoat. So yes, the NFL did make billions off of it's violent nature, and for them to suddenly throw a team under the bus to deflect blame from themselves is cowardly. I do not support the lawsuit by the retired players because I believe both parties are at fault, but the NFL's response has been highly hypocritical, dishonest and unfair. That, my friend, is the problem.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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