Vilma lawsuit puts Goodell on the run

05-23-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Yep! Because in the end... facts do not matter. Who has the better lawyer does.

Sad, but deadly accurate.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-23-2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Can someone please reference the statement where the NFL told players.

" you have no chance of concussions playing in the NFL"

You either don't comprehend what you are reading, or you don't want to.
No one ever said there is no chance of getting concussions playing in the NFL.

burningmetal · 05-23-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling.

You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel."

I agree that players put themselves out there and should have known the risks. I have stated this in several previous posts. Players need to know their limits and know when to stop.

But here's the problem that I think you've missed: This isn't a matter of whether or not the players are partially responsible for what happens/happened to them. The issue is that the NFL knew what was happening to players, and never did anything to stop it because the game was too popular to mess with. But now that these retired players have decided to sue, whether we agree with them or not, it has sent the NFL scrambling for a way out. And so now that they dug up, or possibly made up something on the Saints, they're pretending to care about player safety, and acting as if they never knew concussions could cause long term brain damage. We know that both the players and the league had to know the dangers, but both are playing dumb. Common sense should tell anyone that getting hit in the head repeatedly is not good for you, regardless of what a doctor says. If it were me, I'd seek an outside opinion rather than trust a team doctor. Companies, corporations, politicians and in this case a league have been misleading people for years in the quest for money and power. Anyone who doesn't know that is incredibly ignorant. But at the same time, there is no excuse for the league doctors to lie, and so they should be held responsible in some way.

The Saints, however, have nothing to do with that lawsuit. We're the scapegoat. So yes, the NFL did make billions off of it's violent nature, and for them to suddenly throw a team under the bus to deflect blame from themselves is cowardly. I do not support the lawsuit by the retired players because I believe both parties are at fault, but the NFL's response has been highly hypocritical, dishonest and unfair. That, my friend, is the problem.

TheOak · 05-25-2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

You either don't comprehend what you are reading, or you don't want to.
No one ever said there is no chance of getting concussions playing in the NFL.

Au contrair mon frair ~ It was implied that a concussion was nothing to worry about.

" The NFL was telling these players, if not directly then through the actions of coaches, physicians paid for by teams and by the league, and its culture, that, you know, it's a concussion. You'll be fine. Now GET BACK OUT THERE AND PLAY! "

Furthermore there has to be an assumption of at least average intellectual capacity. E.G. If it takes more than a few advil and you have to go to the hospital.... its serious.

The grounded truth.... They all knew, they all knew quite well that they were risking their health and safety each and every time they stepped foot on the field.

They also knew they were not going to make that kind of money ANYWHERE off the field. Greed and want drove them to suit up every Sunday.

Just like with the tires.... If I am concussed and a coach tells me "just get back on the field, you'll be alright"... Im telling him where he can stick it.

Ive had it happen to me on the football field before, in High School, 16 years old. I staggered my self off the field and refused to go back in.

Beastmode · 05-25-2012, 08:05 AM

If the overwhelming studies say one thing and the NFL's experts say something else that could be a big problem. I look at it like this, If I hand you a box of rotten apples and place a handful of good ones on the top who's fault is it if you choose to not sort through them. Did I mislead you if I intentionally put them on top. Of course I did.

TheOak · 05-25-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

If the overwhelming studies say one thing and the NFL's experts say something else that could be a big problem. I look at it like this, If I hand you a box of rotten apples and place a handful of good ones on the top who's fault is it if you choose to not sort through them. Did I mislead you if I intentionally put them on top. Of course I did.

Exactly.... and if I bought the box with out checking all of them with you standing in front of me, its my problem once I got home.

If you sign a loan document for a vehicle and didn't read the part that stated that the first 48 payments all are front loaded interest payments, and nothing goes to principal, its your fault for not reading the contract.

We are all responsible for a certain modicum of due diligence.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-26-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Au contrair mon frair ~ It was implied that a concussion was nothing to worry about.

" The NFL was telling these players, if not directly then through the actions of coaches, physicians paid for by teams and by the league, and its culture, that, you know, it's a concussion. You'll be fine. Now GET BACK OUT THERE AND PLAY! "

Furthermore there has to be an assumption of at least average intellectual capacity. E.G. If it takes more than a few advil and you have to go to the hospital.... its serious.

The grounded truth.... They all knew, they all knew quite well that they were risking their health and safety each and every time they stepped foot on the field.

They also knew they were not going to make that kind of money ANYWHERE off the field. Greed and want drove them to suit up every Sunday.

Just like with the tires.... If I am concussed and a coach tells me "just get back on the field, you'll be alright"... Im telling him where he can stick it.

Ive had it happen to me on the football field before, in High School, 16 years old. I staggered my self off the field and refused to go back in.

... again, oh boy... ok..

05-23-2012, 01:21 PM	#21
Threaded by saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Yep! Because in the end... facts do not matter. Who has the better lawyer does. Sad, but deadly accurate.
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05-23-2012, 03:08 PM	#22
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Can someone please reference the statement where the NFL told players. " you have no chance of concussions playing in the NFL" You either don't comprehend what you are reading, or you don't want to. No one ever said there is no chance of getting concussions playing in the NFL.

05-23-2012, 04:09 PM	#23
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by TheDeuce I will say that all of the noise coming out about how the NFL made billions off of players while they were getting brutalized, concussed, etc. is complete bullcrap. These guys willingly strapped the helmets on. They personally made millions of dollars, became famous, and were idolized. A lot of the guys who made millions actually used the game, not the other way around. For many, football offered them a "way out" from lives of crime and struggling. You mean to tell me that getting hit violently in the head causes brain damage? No s***. These guys knew that the game is a violent one, but they wanted to reap the rewards. It's like smokers... who sued the tobacco companies. Or as Larry the Cable Guy says: "I currently have a lawsuit filed against Hustler because they caused me to get Carpal Tunnel." I agree that players put themselves out there and should have known the risks. I have stated this in several previous posts. Players need to know their limits and know when to stop. But here's the problem that I think you've missed: This isn't a matter of whether or not the players are partially responsible for what happens/happened to them. The issue is that the NFL knew what was happening to players, and never did anything to stop it because the game was too popular to mess with. But now that these retired players have decided to sue, whether we agree with them or not, it has sent the NFL scrambling for a way out. And so now that they dug up, or possibly made up something on the Saints, they're pretending to care about player safety, and acting as if they never knew concussions could cause long term brain damage. We know that both the players and the league had to know the dangers, but both are playing dumb. Common sense should tell anyone that getting hit in the head repeatedly is not good for you, regardless of what a doctor says. If it were me, I'd seek an outside opinion rather than trust a team doctor. Companies, corporations, politicians and in this case a league have been misleading people for years in the quest for money and power. Anyone who doesn't know that is incredibly ignorant. But at the same time, there is no excuse for the league doctors to lie, and so they should be held responsible in some way. The Saints, however, have nothing to do with that lawsuit. We're the scapegoat. So yes, the NFL did make billions off of it's violent nature, and for them to suddenly throw a team under the bus to deflect blame from themselves is cowardly. I do not support the lawsuit by the retired players because I believe both parties are at fault, but the NFL's response has been highly hypocritical, dishonest and unfair. That, my friend, is the problem.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-25-2012, 07:15 AM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper You either don't comprehend what you are reading, or you don't want to. No one ever said there is no chance of getting concussions playing in the NFL. Au contrair mon frair ~ It was implied that a concussion was nothing to worry about. " The NFL was telling these players, if not directly then through the actions of coaches, physicians paid for by teams and by the league, and its culture, that, you know, it's a concussion. You'll be fine. Now GET BACK OUT THERE AND PLAY! " Furthermore there has to be an assumption of at least average intellectual capacity. E.G. If it takes more than a few advil and you have to go to the hospital.... its serious. The grounded truth.... They all knew, they all knew quite well that they were risking their health and safety each and every time they stepped foot on the field. They also knew they were not going to make that kind of money ANYWHERE off the field. Greed and want drove them to suit up every Sunday. Just like with the tires.... If I am concussed and a coach tells me "just get back on the field, you'll be alright"... Im telling him where he can stick it. Ive had it happen to me on the football field before, in High School, 16 years old. I staggered my self off the field and refused to go back in.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-25-2012, 08:05 AM	#25
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	If the overwhelming studies say one thing and the NFL's experts say something else that could be a big problem. I look at it like this, If I hand you a box of rotten apples and place a handful of good ones on the top who's fault is it if you choose to not sort through them. Did I mislead you if I intentionally put them on top. Of course I did.
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05-25-2012, 08:51 AM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Originally Posted by Beastmode If the overwhelming studies say one thing and the NFL's experts say something else that could be a big problem. I look at it like this, If I hand you a box of rotten apples and place a handful of good ones on the top who's fault is it if you choose to not sort through them. Did I mislead you if I intentionally put them on top. Of course I did. Exactly.... and if I bought the box with out checking all of them with you standing in front of me, its my problem once I got home. If you sign a loan document for a vehicle and didn't read the part that stated that the first 48 payments all are front loaded interest payments, and nothing goes to principal, its your fault for not reading the contract. We are all responsible for a certain modicum of due diligence.

05-26-2012, 08:58 AM	#27
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Au contrair mon frair ~ It was implied that a concussion was nothing to worry about. " The NFL was telling these players, if not directly then through the actions of coaches, physicians paid for by teams and by the league, and its culture, that, you know, it's a concussion. You'll be fine. Now GET BACK OUT THERE AND PLAY! " Furthermore there has to be an assumption of at least average intellectual capacity. E.G. If it takes more than a few advil and you have to go to the hospital.... its serious. The grounded truth.... They all knew, they all knew quite well that they were risking their health and safety each and every time they stepped foot on the field. They also knew they were not going to make that kind of money ANYWHERE off the field. Greed and want drove them to suit up every Sunday. Just like with the tires.... If I am concussed and a coach tells me "just get back on the field, you'll be alright"... Im telling him where he can stick it. Ive had it happen to me on the football field before, in High School, 16 years old. I staggered my self off the field and refused to go back in. ... again, oh boy... ok..

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