Drew Brees Contract Negotiations: Jason Cole Solves the Mystery
 

It appears I was absolutely, 100 percent right (pats back profusely). Condon wants to set a precedent, all right - and that precedent is that a player's franchise tags with past teams can be used against a current team looking to apply that tag.

Drew Brees Contract Negotiations: Jason Cole Solves the Mystery - Canal Street Chronicles

So then the line is drawn in the sand. Loomis or Brees, Brees or Loomis. who will crack. Who could lose in all of this ? the City of New Orleans , the Saints, the fans, Drew and even Loomis, his job that is.

What ever a deal will get done.

Tom Condon is the debil...

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My god, well this puts a new spin on it for me. I love Drew, don't get me wrong, I love what he has done for our city, our team. But come on man, you are only one player my friend. I'm almost to the point you can sit your ass out this season.

I'm a SAINT fan. period always will be. With or without you Drew

I feel the same way. What Condon is asking is beyond reason, he won't get it. Chase is no Brees but who's to say...another year with more cap room could mean a more balanced team on both sides of the ball.

Hey Condon, screw you too. :needle:

I'm sorry guys, but before Brees, there wasn't really a team there.... He is not just our HOF QB, he also sells tickets, and brings interest from free agents, that otherwise wouldn't even consider us. He did something, that no other QB we've ever had, could do, and I think he has earned the money. He deserves to be paid enough, to let him retire as a Saint. That's my opinion mind you, but I don't think I'm alone on this.

Please got get me wrong on this, I know what he has done and will continue to do as a Saint. We might (the team) bend and pay him what his agent wants. I hear all kinds of figures, I really don't know what is the real deal until he signs. I do know he turned down a hell of a lot of money already. So we might meet in the middle I hope.
But If this article does hold water..... What then? who is going to bend on this one? That is why I said he can sit his ass out, because this pisses me off. If its just money, we can work it all out I'm sure. Now if it is on what I have read... Screw that. ( all that BS about keeping the team in place on and on). I going to stop before I blow my top

No player is ever bigger than the team and I'm getting really sick of this. Time for Brees to sign or the Saints to move on with Daniels.

Great players are what make a team great period. You take away Brees this team goes back to the doldrums. It is what it is as far as money for top quarterbacks and other teams have already set that mark. Either you pay for a franchise quarterback or your team goes nowhere. If you don't what to be in the running for a title keep your money and watch other teams in the playoffs. Move on with Daniels and this team is going down.

FACT: Drew Brees is without a doubt the heart and soul of this franchise.
FACT: We are a team loaded with talent.
FACT: We can't keep as much talent if we pay Drew what he wants.......err Tom Condon wants.

Chase is a definate drop off from Drew...BUT.... all the extra cash could be used for more star players...and Drew has to realize this as well as that he has a chance to break Johnny U's TD record...that is HUGE

I dunno... rather you go with Chase now or 3 years later ... it will happen.
I would like to have Drew for a few more years but I think Chase would be just fine
Besides... our true star is sitting out for one season. JMHO

Yes I know, he does deserve every cent he gets. So did Payton Manning, but what that get the colts? My point Drew is a God down on the bayou, but do we bend to those demands?

I have loved this team ever since I could say Saints. My love, hate, love relationship with this team will always be there. Even if Drew, SP and any other great player that we have now, were to never have come here; I would still love this team. Their "record" doesn't dictate if I love this team.

I love this team for reasons I can't explain. Other than that boys; I don't care who is coaching, QB, RB or what. I will always love this team.

I guess that explains how we got beat by the 49ers and their brilliant (sarcasm) QB, Alex Smith.

Having Drew has been great, and we all hope it continues that way, but one man does not make a team. He is merely part of it. I'm tired of hearing that we sucked without Drew. Of course we did, but we also sucked before Sean Payton, and Marques Colston, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Lance Moore, Pierre Thomas, etc. My point is that Drew didn't come here by himself and single handedly turn us around. He has been the biggest part, and for that I would like him to stay, but he's still one part. And there is a little something called integrity that goes a long way. Sometimes you have to let a really good player go to make a point that no one is bigger than the team, if that player is making it clear he thinks of himself that way. There's no room for big heads on a championship team. I never imagined I would have to question the integrity of Drew Brees, but right now I do. I'm not saying he has none, because he may yet do the right thing. We'll just have to see.

This guy's name should be Condom,cuz he really is a dick ! All this money when other people barely have a job ...

1. If the CBA DOES in fact dictate that this is a second FT and it should carry a 20% premium, then that is what should legally and ethically be paid... And it IS not an issue of Condon or Brees.

2. It is what it is, and it seems it is an agreement between the league, NFLPA, and owners.

I find no fault with either Brees or Condon. I wouldn't give a concession either.

If my Boss owed me a bonus, and was legally bound to pay that bonus, I would stick to my guns also. At the end of the day what matters most to Brees is his family, over the team or the fans, and that is the way it should be.

Sort of like being told by your electrician that he has a 4 hour minimum, singing a contract before he starts work that you understand and agree, and just because he fixed your problem in 15 minutes you do not want to pay his 4 hour minimum..... In this case because Drew is so close to the team and city, Ill make that electrician your cousin.

As I have said before, most people want to leverage New Orleans signing Drew to a contract when they did was doing him a favor.... Well that favor has been returned by Drew by playing for the low ball rate he was paid in comparison to his value... Drew could have (as a lot of players do), come back to the team after 2009 and demanded a new contract because he was grosly being underpaid for his performance and didn't.


"According to SI's Peter King, the Saints "feel they should be credited for taking a medical risk" on unsigned franchise player Drew Brees in 2006.
With the sides mired in contract stalemate, the Saints believe they deserve a break for being the only team willing to give Brees $10 million per season as came off shoulder surgery in 2006. That line of thinking is unlikely to move a player who hasn't missed a game with injury in six seasons in New Orleans. May 21 - 9:33 AM"
Drew Brees - New Orleans Saints - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com


In 2006 Brees contract was for 60M... 10M a year... Grossly underpaid for his performance. The Saints are not owed a credit for risk.... Brees is owed back pay for value/performance vs pay.


Hold their feet to the fire Drew. You earned it and you are worth it.:bng:

What about the other mystery solved:

The Saints have NO cap room to offer more than 19 million/year.

Period.

Good luck getting more when there isn't any.

Vilma frees up 4.9M

We brought in Lofton to replace Vilma...

If the deadline comes and my choice is Vilma or Brees... Sorry Vilma, you gots-to-go.

If they interpret the tag formula as $23.574M that is a game changer. There won't be enough cap room to even tag him.

Then we restructure more and jet unneeded personnel.

Unfortunately, we don't figure this out then we will be forever haunted and tormented as the team that refused to sign "Drew". Too bad, we don't sign him, someone else eventually will. While it may easier to live with when you live in the south where you are surrounded by other fans. Try living somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, where its "one parts per million". Not enjoyable.

Horse hair. We aren't the 'team that refused to sign Drew'. We've done anything but refuse. We've tried to make him the highest paid player in the league at least twice - he refused.

If he wants more up front or whatever then okay, but let's not ever entertain the idea that we 'refused to sign' Drew. We've been very fair negotiating with him, and my guess is that if he had an agent who's name wasn't Tom Condon he'd be signed already.

Unbelievable. Chase is not or will be the answer. Yes the team is loaded with talent but Drew is the catalyst. Without Drew, it's a 8-8 season and a huge step backwards.
Peyton Manning got huge money, after being out for a year and unsure if he will still be able to handle a season. Drew is peaking, this is just aweful on BOTH sides.

Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see.

I'd rather play without him than gut the team. It's no disrespect to Drew.

I think "gutting the team" is a little dramatic. You cut under performers to keep the over performers. You increase the value... It wouldn't take more than Vilma.


I have seen a lot of questioning about Drew's commitment to the team. Here is a question for everyone.

Who is more important to the TEAM this season, Brees or Vilma?
Who has already been replaced Brees or Vilma?
Who is at this moment guaranteed healthy enough to play, Brees or Vilma?

If Vilma is thinking about the TEAM, he is thus far suspended this season and is STILL not 100% back from his surgery... He sits out this season allowing cap space to keep Drew. Next season we worry about getting Vilma on the field if he competes and earns his spot back.


So this comes to a hard decision. Tell Vilma bye and secure Brees? Or risk playing 2012 with out both of them.

I have since I was old enough to know what a football is. He is the team, yes that makes other players want to come here for a championship, yes. He is the center clog of the wheel, yes. He is New Orleans, yes. But when the Saints did make him the Highest Player in the league, they turned it down. The man makes money, with the endorsements he gets along with that. The man is getting paid.
Now we are all not stupid, or naive on how this works. There is a pie, right you have what 52 people want a slice? how in the hell does he end up with half. Come on after we were told he would do whatever it takes to keep this team together, i do remember hearing that.
I know Drew deserves to be the highest player in the league, but at what cost do we do that. There isn't enough money... per cap. period. But I still believe he will be a saint, loomis will get it done, and if he can't then shame on you Drew and your jackass agent.

Gut the team, huh? That isn't realistic. Without DRew, we're in trouble

I'm not so sure it isn't realistic. If we give Drew what Condon appears to want, which player or players are we unable to sign going forward.

If it was cut and dry we would have caved already. We just don't have the cap room to accommodate his precise wants.

We aren' t winning anything without him. Yes, there has to be a compromise, but in the end, pay the man

But thats the thing HOW do you know that. Nobody knew Drew was even gonna be as great as he is when he signed. How do we know that Chase can't handle it and at least get is a wild card spot if given a chance? Everyone being so paranoid when not one of us can tell the future. I'm pretty sure people in Green Bay thought the same thing when they let Farvre go.....look how that turned out. I'm just saying no one should completely take for granted the talent that we do have. Cuz they do have talent they wouldn't be on the team if they didn't.

Brees is not going to sit out Loomis' job is riding on this and Benson loses is cash cow if he lets him sit so if Benson has to get off his A$$ sit down with Drew and get it done at the deadline then thats whats gonna happen.

And the Saints probably are letting Vilma go thru this lawsuit just to show loyalty....you can bet whatever's in your bank account that they hope he doesn't win his appeal because then that 4mil + is all they need to secure Brees...

And another question I have....if the signing bonus doesn't count towards the cap why not just give this man like 30mil upfront give him a cheap base for this year and give him the rest in the next 2 years?

But once again at what cost?? WE did TRY "THEY TURNED IT DOWN". iS IT because of what is going on with the franchise tags that was stated in this post? That is bull S... if that is the case, but once again faith in what BIG TOM and Loomis said... The deal will get done.
Us as fans will have to wait to see as to how, much the team gave.

It was turned down because of some upcoming big QB contracts that would effect it... It was a prudent decision, and there was absolutely no reason to rush. The cat is very smart... Am I saying he knew he would break a record last season.. no... Did he know he was going to do something to increase his value? probably so... and he did just that.

Had he signed, then you can bet he would be the second highest paid QB today between Manning and Brady...

Manning - 5 years $96M

Brady 5 year $78.5M

Drew was offered $19/year = $95M

But the real issue of why he did not accept is not because of the Contract Value... It was because of the structure and loading.

I don't even know how to answer something this naive. The point is, we have been to 4 playoff appearances with drew, an NFC championship and won a super bowl.

WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE WITH HIM!!!

That is exactly the point!

I remember watching the Seahawks- 49ers game at the end of last year, and I remarked in the chat room-"Man we are spoiled having Brees, you don't realize it until you watch the crap playing QB on other teams". Do you not get that he is one of the best in the game, the best player to ever suit up in a Saints jersey, a hall of famer, a madman of a competitor?

Shove Vilma and Will Smith out the door if need be, but pay the god damn man.

It's Drew ****ing Brees man.

Just caught NFL 32.

Brees filed for an arbitrator through the NFLPA to address the 3-yr franchise procedure. per John Clayton

great...........

This is about Tom Condon and the skins on his wall...