Vitt Says Linebackers Group is "The Deepest I Have Been Around"

saintsfan1976 · 05-31-2012, 09:14 PM

He's right - deep as in there have never been this many LB's on the roster.

"Deep" does not equate to "talent".

Casillas - Injury prone
Vilma - goners
Lofton - new system, known for being slow, liability in coverage
Shanle - shanle
Wilson - now a DE

Throw the next several names in a group I like to call "who the hell really knows???" and you've got to be slightly concerned about our LB corps this season.

dizzle88 · 06-01-2012, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

He's right - deep as in there have never been this many LB's on the roster.

"Deep" does not equate to "talent".

Casillas - Injury prone
Vilma - goners
Lofton - new system, known for being slow, liability in coverage
Shanle - shanle
Wilson - now a DE

Throw the next several names in a group I like to call "who the hell really knows???" and you've got to be slightly concerned about our LB corps this season.

You forgot

Hawthorne - tackling machine with over a 100 Tackles each of the last 3 seasons
Chamberlain - also a great tackler, proved it for the rams last year
Lofton - ive seen no evidence that says he's bad in coverage, and we need 3 LB's that are great tacklers

We just got em

saintsfan1976 · 06-01-2012, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

You forgot

Hawthorne - tackling machine with over a 100 Tackles each of the last 3 seasons
Chamberlain - also a great tackler, proved it for the rams last year
Lofton - ive seen no evidence that says he's bad in coverage, and we need 3 LB's that are great tacklers

We just got em

Past history with other teams is not always a good indicator of future success.

I want to see it in black & gold

Brandon428 · 05-31-2012, 11:19 PM

"Shanle - shanle" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Amen! Good in man coverage what is he thinking!?!?!?

The Dude · 05-31-2012, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Brandon428

"Shanle - shanle" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Amen! Good in man coverage what is he thinking!?!?!?

Obviously they see something we don't. Perhaps it was scheme that made him look so horrible in coverage. For whatever reasons all the coaches sing his praises every time he is mentioned.

papz · 06-01-2012, 01:25 AM

You know for as much as everyone hates and laughs at Shanle, he's always in the right position to make the play. He just doesn't have the skill set to do it. So as much as everyone one wants to knock him, do your job and beat him out. If not, as he's proven for 6 years, you need to just roll with it... it's not his fault everyone else blows.

While I hope he's not starting, it's certainly not his fault.

FinSaint · 06-01-2012, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by papz

You know for as much as everyone hates and laughs at Shanle, he's always in the right position to make the play. He just doesn't have the skill set to do it. So as much as everyone one wants to knock him, do your job and beat him out. If not, as he's proven for 6 years, you need to just roll with it... it's not his fault everyone else blows.

While I hope he's not starting, it's certainly not his fault.

True, but at certain point you have to also balance the fact that he won't be the future of this team, and if a young guy is just barely beaten out by him during the offseason - the Saints might still be better off giving the young guy the regular season starts, so that he can improve his game and get some important playing experience under his belt.

But, "high quality coverage skills," are you kidding me?! I can't remember which game it was last season, but Shanle was covering a TE running a drag route towards the sideline. He was simply trying to keep up with the guy with no attempt to turn his head and find the ball, but then the QB threw the ball at the back of his helmet from where it bounced out of bounds. The commentator said, something like "that pass was covered really well by Shanle." I guess if you want to call desperately running after a guy and getting hit in the helmet by chance good coverage then I stand corrected. And, yes, I know that TE vs LB isn't a fair fight, but people still constantly make arguments against Harper's coverage skills vs a TE, so I don't see this as being anything different.

saintsfan1976 · 06-01-2012, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by papz

You know for as much as everyone hates and laughs at Shanle, he's always in the right position to make the play. He just doesn't have the skill set to do it. So as much as everyone one wants to knock him, do your job and beat him out. If not, as he's proven for 6 years, you need to just roll with it... it's not his fault everyone else blows.

While I hope he's not starting, it's certainly not his fault.

You know what you get from Shanle. He's due for 75 tackles and one turnover

That's why I said Shanle - Shanle

But you're right Papz, the question is who can do better?

CharityMike · 06-01-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by papz

he's always in the right position to make the play.

Are we watching the same player? He is NEVER in front of a play!!

As for his coverage skills and his supposed smarts..I give you exhibit A:

Alex Smith Game Winning final second TD pass - YouTube

FinSaint · 06-01-2012, 03:19 AM

Scott Shanle has had an outstanding camp. Scott has started at the Sam position for us this spring. I think Scott is one of those guys, one of those rare breeds. I’ve been with him since ’06, and you have not seen any diminishing skill level. He still has the footwork and the fluid hips. One of his real high qualities that he has is his man coverage skills. He’s come into camp in great shape, so he has done a great job.

05-31-2012, 09:14 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,057 Blog Entries: 3	He's right - deep as in there have never been this many LB's on the roster. "Deep" does not equate to "talent". Casillas - Injury prone Vilma - goners Lofton - new system, known for being slow, liability in coverage Shanle - shanle Wilson - now a DE Throw the next several names in a group I like to call "who the hell really knows???" and you've got to be slightly concerned about our LB corps this season. Brandon428 likes this.

06-01-2012, 05:05 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 He's right - deep as in there have never been this many LB's on the roster. "Deep" does not equate to "talent". Casillas - Injury prone Vilma - goners Lofton - new system, known for being slow, liability in coverage Shanle - shanle Wilson - now a DE Throw the next several names in a group I like to call "who the hell really knows???" and you've got to be slightly concerned about our LB corps this season. You forgot Hawthorne - tackling machine with over a 100 Tackles each of the last 3 seasons Chamberlain - also a great tackler, proved it for the rams last year Lofton - ive seen no evidence that says he's bad in coverage, and we need 3 LB's that are great tacklers We just got em

06-01-2012, 05:58 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,057 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by dizzle88 You forgot Hawthorne - tackling machine with over a 100 Tackles each of the last 3 seasons Chamberlain - also a great tackler, proved it for the rams last year Lofton - ive seen no evidence that says he's bad in coverage, and we need 3 LB's that are great tacklers We just got em Past history with other teams is not always a good indicator of future success. I want to see it in black & gold

05-31-2012, 11:36 PM	#5
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Originally Posted by Brandon428 "Shanle - shanle" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Amen! Good in man coverage what is he thinking!?!?!? Obviously they see something we don't. Perhaps it was scheme that made him look so horrible in coverage. For whatever reasons all the coaches sing his praises every time he is mentioned.
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06-01-2012, 01:25 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,798	You know for as much as everyone hates and laughs at Shanle, he's always in the right position to make the play. He just doesn't have the skill set to do it. So as much as everyone one wants to knock him, do your job and beat him out. If not, as he's proven for 6 years, you need to just roll with it... it's not his fault everyone else blows. While I hope he's not starting, it's certainly not his fault. Crusader, SaintGup and halloween 65 like this.

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Brandon428 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Lafayette Posts: 158	"Shanle - shanle" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Amen! Good in man coverage what is he thinking!?!?!?

06-01-2012, 03:47 AM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by papz You know for as much as everyone hates and laughs at Shanle, he's always in the right position to make the play. He just doesn't have the skill set to do it. So as much as everyone one wants to knock him, do your job and beat him out. If not, as he's proven for 6 years, you need to just roll with it... it's not his fault everyone else blows. While I hope he's not starting, it's certainly not his fault. True, but at certain point you have to also balance the fact that he won't be the future of this team, and if a young guy is just barely beaten out by him during the offseason - the Saints might still be better off giving the young guy the regular season starts, so that he can improve his game and get some important playing experience under his belt. But, "high quality coverage skills," are you kidding me?! I can't remember which game it was last season, but Shanle was covering a TE running a drag route towards the sideline. He was simply trying to keep up with the guy with no attempt to turn his head and find the ball, but then the QB threw the ball at the back of his helmet from where it bounced out of bounds. The commentator said, something like "that pass was covered really well by Shanle." I guess if you want to call desperately running after a guy and getting hit in the helmet by chance good coverage then I stand corrected. And, yes, I know that TE vs LB isn't a fair fight, but people still constantly make arguments against Harper's coverage skills vs a TE, so I don't see this as being anything different.
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06-01-2012, 06:01 AM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,057 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by papz You know for as much as everyone hates and laughs at Shanle, he's always in the right position to make the play. He just doesn't have the skill set to do it. So as much as everyone one wants to knock him, do your job and beat him out. If not, as he's proven for 6 years, you need to just roll with it... it's not his fault everyone else blows. While I hope he's not starting, it's certainly not his fault. You know what you get from Shanle. He's due for 75 tackles and one turnover That's why I said Shanle - Shanle But you're right Papz, the question is who can do better?

06-01-2012, 03:19 AM	#10
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Scott Shanle has had an outstanding camp. Scott has started at the Sam position for us this spring. I think Scott is one of those guys, one of those rare breeds. I’ve been with him since ’06, and you have not seen any diminishing skill level. He still has the footwork and the fluid hips. One of his real high qualities that he has is his man coverage skills. He’s come into camp in great shape, so he has done a great job.