Today... according to the CBA

TheOak · 06-15-2012, 12:49 PM

The CBA dictates (for what ever that is worth), that Goodell present the NFLPA with his evidence he plans on using at the appeal hearing on Monday.

Article 46, Section 2(f)(ii) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which states that "the parties shall exchange copies of any exhibits upon which they intend to rely no later than three (3) calendar days prior to the hearing." Any exhibit not disclosed by then can't be introduced at the hearing.
Note: Calendar days not business days.

What ever evidence is not presented to the NFLPA today can not be used in the hearing...

Fine and dandy...

What is not clear (to me at least) is in the interest of disclosure are the investigators going to be made available for the NFLPA to talk to before and depose?

Does Goodell even need to provide any evidence to win? I assume this is not "American" as in innocent until proven guilty; but more of like throwing a replay flag.... The call on the field is guilty and the players have to provide enough evidence to have Goodells ruling over turned?

Either way I will try and monitor the news this weekend to see if any of the evidence the NFLPA receives is "leaked".

I am sure the courier service the NFL will use to deliver it all to the NFLPA will follow their historical actions... The players will see the evidence either on ESPN or read about it in Yahoo Sports.

NFL must provide Saints 'bounty' hearing evidence - NFL.com

mutineer10 · 06-15-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

"If (NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell) was really interested in a fair process, he would have disclosed the evidence weeks or months ago," Vilma's attorney Peter Ginsberg told USA Today. "That fact that this isn't occurring until now makes me cynical."

Yeah, no surprise the NFL will wait until the zero-hour to make whatever portion of the documents they choose available. Here NFLPA, we've planned your weekend for you ...

saintfan · 06-15-2012, 02:06 PM

The problem with this whole thing, at least from what little I know, is that ( I guess) Roger can interpret the 'evidence' however he wants to. In other words, he can call it a 'bounty' when we all know good and damn well that's not what it was, and he can prosecute on HIS definition.

It's a damn shame. The players should strike.

TheOak · 06-15-2012, 02:20 PM

No strike... But thats correct Saintfan.

"Conduct detrimental" can be anything from a bounty to the use of profanity... Its one huge ass gray area.

ScottF · 06-15-2012, 04:14 PM

it's past 4:00 eastern and still no news
Zero evidence has been provided, yet Vilma is gone for a year. Either way, it will be good to see something, anything from RG

TheOak · 06-15-2012, 06:00 PM

Remember it is Calendar Day... The NFL can send it at 23:59 tonight

06-15-2012, 12:49 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Today... according to the CBA The CBA dictates (for what ever that is worth), that Goodell present the NFLPA with his evidence he plans on using at the appeal hearing on Monday. Article 46, Section 2(f)(ii) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which states that "the parties shall exchange copies of any exhibits upon which they intend to rely no later than three (3) calendar days prior to the hearing." Any exhibit not disclosed by then can't be introduced at the hearing. Note: Calendar days not business days. What ever evidence is not presented to the NFLPA today can not be used in the hearing... Fine and dandy... What is not clear (to me at least) is in the interest of disclosure are the investigators going to be made available for the NFLPA to talk to before and depose? Does Goodell even need to provide any evidence to win? I assume this is not "American" as in innocent until proven guilty; but more of like throwing a replay flag.... The call on the field is guilty and the players have to provide enough evidence to have Goodells ruling over turned? Either way I will try and monitor the news this weekend to see if any of the evidence the NFLPA receives is "leaked". I am sure the courier service the NFL will use to deliver it all to the NFLPA will follow their historical actions... The players will see the evidence either on ESPN or read about it in Yahoo Sports. NFL must provide Saints 'bounty' hearing evidence - NFL.com Attached Thumbnails Halo, RockyMountainSaint and kcsaints like this.
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06-15-2012, 01:21 PM	#2
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Originally Posted by x626xBlack "If (NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell) was really interested in a fair process, he would have disclosed the evidence weeks or months ago," Vilma's attorney Peter Ginsberg told USA Today. "That fact that this isn't occurring until now makes me cynical." Yeah, no surprise the NFL will wait until the zero-hour to make whatever portion of the documents they choose available. Here NFLPA, we've planned your weekend for you ...

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06-15-2012, 02:06 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	The problem with this whole thing, at least from what little I know, is that ( I guess) Roger can interpret the 'evidence' however he wants to. In other words, he can call it a 'bounty' when we all know good and damn well that's not what it was, and he can prosecute on HIS definition. It's a damn shame. The players should strike.

06-15-2012, 02:20 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	No strike... But thats correct Saintfan. "Conduct detrimental" can be anything from a bounty to the use of profanity... Its one huge ass gray area.

06-15-2012, 04:14 PM	#5
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	it's past 4:00 eastern and still no news Zero evidence has been provided, yet Vilma is gone for a year. Either way, it will be good to see something, anything from RG

06-15-2012, 06:00 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Remember it is Calendar Day... The NFL can send it at 23:59 tonight