Stopping Run is Prioirty not CB

GumboBC · 05-06-2004, 01:21 PM

IMO, there is no question that cornerback was NOT the biggest area of need on this team. Linebacker was. I\'m not saying we didn\'t need an upgrade at CB, but, well, instead of me telling it in my words. Let me post a little quote by the Panthers defensive coordinator:

\"As a coordinator, there\'s a comfort level knowing that you can count on your four guys getting pressure,\" said Panthers defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac. \"Look at the draft every year. How many defensive linemen go early? It\'s because they\'re so valuable. You can have the best cover guys in the world, but quarterbacks these days are so good they\'ll find somebody open if you don\'t put pressure on them.\"

Rucker, an alternate Pro Bowler, missed two games with a knee injury, and still finished fourth in the NFC with 12 sacks. Peppers, who played basketball and football at North Carolina, was Defensive Rookie of the Year last season. Buckner was on Pittsburgh\'s losing Super Bowl XXX team, and Jenkins, who will be making his second visit to Hawaii as a Pro Bowler, is a tank who had five sacks. He also blocked what would have been the game-winning extra point on the final play of regulation in the Panthers\' second game of the season at Tampa Bay. Carolina went on to win in overtime.

WhoDat · 05-06-2004, 03:52 PM

IMO, there is no question that cornerback was NOT the biggest area of need on this team. Linebacker was.

Couldn\'t agree more with that statement Sunshine.

Coming into the off-season our top ten priorities in order were (IMO):

1. An IMPACT MLB
2. An IMPACT CB
3. A solid DT
4. A solid OLB
5. A new FB
6. Depth at CB
7. Depth at RB
8. Depth at WR
9. Depth on the O-line
10. me

We got:

1. A couple of unknowns at MLB - could be stars, could be depth, could be cut. Who knows right now?
2. A backup CB that will start for us b/c our secondary is so bad.
3. A solid DT that may be too small and a bigger rookie. Thumbs up here.
4. A DE who may play OLB... or the loser of the MLB battle... uuuhh, does that qualify as solid?
5. Two new fullbacks, one vet and one rookie. I like it, even though we never should have let T-rex walk.
6. We dropped one corner and added one corner - does that count as adding depth? LOL
7. Plenty of good depth at RB with Stecker, Banks... and one more I forget. Anyway, thumbs up here.
8. Henderson and Crowell - we overacheived in this area.
9. Added Nesbit - that\'s pretty good. I\'m happy about our O-line, even with the departure of Fontenot.
10. I\'m holding out for more money.

I think that we still haven\'t adequately addressed our major areas of need. Hopefully, Grant, Watson, Hodge, Allen, Smith (buck), Craft, Craver, and/or F Brown will step it up this season. If not, next year we\'ll be saying, \"So this off-season we need... uh... a stud MLB, CB...\"

Danno · 05-06-2004, 04:27 PM

OOOhhh this is absolutely classic WHODAT. IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m starting to get that eerie feeling I know you too well. Lets break it down shall we?

1. An IMPACT MLB
2. An IMPACT CB
3. A solid DT
4. A solid OLB
5. A new FB
6. Depth at CB
7. Depth at RB
8. Depth at WR
9. Depth on the O-line
10. me

We got:

1. A couple of unknowns at MLB - could be stars, could be depth, could be cut. Who knows right now?

WouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t any new MLB be an unknown?

2. A backup CB that will start for us b/c our secondary is so bad.

Excuse me, he was a starter that got injured!

3. A solid DT that may be too small and a bigger rookie. Thumbs up here.

I think it was addressed.

4. A DE who may play OLB... or the loser of the MLB battle... uuuhh, does that qualify as solid?

Will Smith wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be an OLB. Grant or Watson will. As solid as any we could have drafted.

5. Two new fullbacks, one vet and one rookie. I like it, even though we never should have let T-rex walk.

T-rex was over-rated. We addressed this twice!

6. We dropped one corner and added one corner - does that count as adding depth? LOL

Dropped Carter? What did he play, 4 games? But I agree we still need one more.

7. Plenty of good depth at RB with Stecker, Banks... and one more I forget. Anyway, thumbs up here.

And you would have taken who??? Staley? Levens? LOL.

8. Henderson and Crowell - we overacheived in this area.

We donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t need depth, we need dependability. I like the Henderson pick.

9. Added Nesbit - that\'s pretty good. I\'m happy about our O-line, even with the departure of Fontenot.

Agreed.

10. I\'m holding out for more money.

Can you play CB?

I think that we still haven\'t adequately addressed our major areas of need. Hopefully, Grant, Watson, Hodge, Allen, Smith (buck), Craft, Craver, and/or F Brown will step it up this season. If not, next year we\'ll be saying, \"So this off-season we need... uh... a stud MLB, CB...\"

I think we failed in one area. CB. Its the lone glaring failure.

WhoDat · 05-06-2004, 05:07 PM

And that was classic Danno.

1. \"WouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t any new MLB be an unknown?\" Not when you sign a known commodity in FREE AGENCY. Sure, they may get better or worse once they got here but at least you have some idea of what you\'re getting. Certainly more than when you draft a player.

2. Uh-huh. So was Jeff Blake.

3. I said thumbs up. I said it was addressed, why even comment?

4. \"Will Smith wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be an OLB. Grant or Watson will. As solid as any we could have drafted. \" Didn\'t YOU say that he might play the \"Buck\" position? That\'s an OLB spot, no? So before you took solice in the idea that we didn\'t just draft a DE, but that we got a stud who could play OLB. Now you\'re saying he won\'t play that spot? MORE IMPORTANTLY, a) he was not AS solid as ANY we COULD have drafted, and b) have you completely forgotten that teams are able to add players through this thing called free agency. There were better more proven player available in FREE AGENCY.

5. I said this was adequately addressed. What are you reading? That being said, T-Rex was NOT overrated. We had a 1,000 yard rusher every year he was in NO. Before he came it had been 11 years since we had that? Coincidence I guess... oooh, no I know, it was luck. Some magical good luck in a land filled with Haslett bad luck.

6. See... nanny nanny poo poo!

7. Again, I said I liked Stecker and Banks. I wouldn\'t have taken anyone else. Are you being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative?

8. Fine. Agreed.

9. So I\'m right? Again.

10. Better than most of our CBs, yes.

CB is the MOST glaring failure, yes, but unless our LBs and DTs step it up as compared to last year, it is not the only failure.

05-06-2004, 01:21 PM	#11
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Stopping Run is Prioirty not CB IMO, there is no question that cornerback was NOT the biggest area of need on this team. Linebacker was. I\'m not saying we didn\'t need an upgrade at CB, but, well, instead of me telling it in my words. Let me post a little quote by the Panthers defensive coordinator: \"As a coordinator, there\'s a comfort level knowing that you can count on your four guys getting pressure,\" said Panthers defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac. \"Look at the draft every year. How many defensive linemen go early? It\'s because they\'re so valuable. You can have the best cover guys in the world, but quarterbacks these days are so good they\'ll find somebody open if you don\'t put pressure on them.\" Rucker, an alternate Pro Bowler, missed two games with a knee injury, and still finished fourth in the NFC with 12 sacks. Peppers, who played basketball and football at North Carolina, was Defensive Rookie of the Year last season. Buckner was on Pittsburgh\'s losing Super Bowl XXX team, and Jenkins, who will be making his second visit to Hawaii as a Pro Bowler, is a tank who had five sacks. He also blocked what would have been the game-winning extra point on the final play of regulation in the Panthers\' second game of the season at Tampa Bay. Carolina went on to win in overtime.
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05-06-2004, 03:52 PM	#12
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Stopping Run is Prioirty not CB IMO, there is no question that cornerback was NOT the biggest area of need on this team. Linebacker was. Couldn\'t agree more with that statement Sunshine. Coming into the off-season our top ten priorities in order were (IMO): 1. An IMPACT MLB 2. An IMPACT CB 3. A solid DT 4. A solid OLB 5. A new FB 6. Depth at CB 7. Depth at RB 8. Depth at WR 9. Depth on the O-line 10. me We got: 1. A couple of unknowns at MLB - could be stars, could be depth, could be cut. Who knows right now? 2. A backup CB that will start for us b/c our secondary is so bad. 3. A solid DT that may be too small and a bigger rookie. Thumbs up here. 4. A DE who may play OLB... or the loser of the MLB battle... uuuhh, does that qualify as solid? 5. Two new fullbacks, one vet and one rookie. I like it, even though we never should have let T-rex walk. 6. We dropped one corner and added one corner - does that count as adding depth? LOL 7. Plenty of good depth at RB with Stecker, Banks... and one more I forget. Anyway, thumbs up here. 8. Henderson and Crowell - we overacheived in this area. 9. Added Nesbit - that\'s pretty good. I\'m happy about our O-line, even with the departure of Fontenot. 10. I\'m holding out for more money. I think that we still haven\'t adequately addressed our major areas of need. Hopefully, Grant, Watson, Hodge, Allen, Smith (buck), Craft, Craver, and/or F Brown will step it up this season. If not, next year we\'ll be saying, \"So this off-season we need... uh... a stud MLB, CB...\"
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

05-06-2004, 04:27 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Stopping Run is Prioirty not CB OOOhhh this is absolutely classic WHODAT. IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m starting to get that eerie feeling I know you too well. Lets break it down shall we? 1. An IMPACT MLB 2. An IMPACT CB 3. A solid DT 4. A solid OLB 5. A new FB 6. Depth at CB 7. Depth at RB 8. Depth at WR 9. Depth on the O-line 10. me We got: 1. A couple of unknowns at MLB - could be stars, could be depth, could be cut. Who knows right now? WouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t any new MLB be an unknown? 2. A backup CB that will start for us b/c our secondary is so bad. Excuse me, he was a starter that got injured! 3. A solid DT that may be too small and a bigger rookie. Thumbs up here. I think it was addressed. 4. A DE who may play OLB... or the loser of the MLB battle... uuuhh, does that qualify as solid? Will Smith wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be an OLB. Grant or Watson will. As solid as any we could have drafted. 5. Two new fullbacks, one vet and one rookie. I like it, even though we never should have let T-rex walk. T-rex was over-rated. We addressed this twice! 6. We dropped one corner and added one corner - does that count as adding depth? LOL Dropped Carter? What did he play, 4 games? But I agree we still need one more. 7. Plenty of good depth at RB with Stecker, Banks... and one more I forget. Anyway, thumbs up here. And you would have taken who??? Staley? Levens? LOL. 8. Henderson and Crowell - we overacheived in this area. We donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t need depth, we need dependability. I like the Henderson pick. 9. Added Nesbit - that\'s pretty good. I\'m happy about our O-line, even with the departure of Fontenot. Agreed. 10. I\'m holding out for more money. Can you play CB? I think that we still haven\'t adequately addressed our major areas of need. Hopefully, Grant, Watson, Hodge, Allen, Smith (buck), Craft, Craver, and/or F Brown will step it up this season. If not, next year we\'ll be saying, \"So this off-season we need... uh... a stud MLB, CB...\" I think we failed in one area. CB. Its the lone glaring failure.

05-06-2004, 05:07 PM	#14
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Stopping Run is Prioirty not CB And that was classic Danno. 1. \"WouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t any new MLB be an unknown?\" Not when you sign a known commodity in FREE AGENCY. Sure, they may get better or worse once they got here but at least you have some idea of what you\'re getting. Certainly more than when you draft a player. 2. Uh-huh. So was Jeff Blake. 3. I said thumbs up. I said it was addressed, why even comment? 4. \"Will Smith wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be an OLB. Grant or Watson will. As solid as any we could have drafted. \" Didn\'t YOU say that he might play the \"Buck\" position? That\'s an OLB spot, no? So before you took solice in the idea that we didn\'t just draft a DE, but that we got a stud who could play OLB. Now you\'re saying he won\'t play that spot? MORE IMPORTANTLY, a) he was not AS solid as ANY we COULD have drafted, and b) have you completely forgotten that teams are able to add players through this thing called free agency. There were better more proven player available in FREE AGENCY. 5. I said this was adequately addressed. What are you reading? That being said, T-Rex was NOT overrated. We had a 1,000 yard rusher every year he was in NO. Before he came it had been 11 years since we had that? Coincidence I guess... oooh, no I know, it was luck. Some magical good luck in a land filled with Haslett bad luck. 6. See... nanny nanny poo poo! 7. Again, I said I liked Stecker and Banks. I wouldn\'t have taken anyone else. Are you being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative? 8. Fine. Agreed. 9. So I\'m right? Again. 10. Better than most of our CBs, yes. CB is the MOST glaring failure, yes, but unless our LBs and DTs step it up as compared to last year, it is not the only failure.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

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