League backs off view that Hargrove said “give me my money”

burningmetal · 07-06-2012, 02:05 PM

Obviously, when you strike you don't get payed. There isn't any question of that. I don't want to see a strike at all, I'm tired of all the drama, but if it's the last option they have at some point, then maybe they should.

Rugby Saint II · 07-06-2012, 02:42 PM

Godhell is finally starting to feel the heat. He is trying to use semantics at this point. But it isn't going to work. We won't let this die. Godhell may die but this won't.

Rugby Saint II · 07-06-2012, 02:59 PM

Roger will be held accountable......it will just take some time. He thought he was going to bully us and we'd roll over. Well' I guess he's thinking about crapping his britches now. Every bully deserves an ass beating and I want to give it to him.

WhoDat!656 · 07-06-2012, 08:35 PM

Check out the analysis of this; Hargrove is getting hammered!

Green Bay Packers defensive end Anthony Hargrove has insisted on multiple occasions that a key piece of evidence against him in the New Orleans Saints bounty issue is a case of mistaken identity. Voice recognition analysis confirmed that Hargrove was not the person who said "Bobby, give me my money," a quote captured on an NFL Films video of the 2009 NFC Championship Game. Amazingly, it now appears the league has agreed.

As Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk points out, commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to Hargrove and three other suspended players that he is "prepared to assume" Hargrove was not the one speaking. But Goodell went on to claim that the video, which the league introduced during the appeal hearing and in a meeting with reporters, was not a factor in Hargrove's eight-game suspension.

[+] Enlarge

Tom Hauck/Getty Images
Commissioner Roger Goodell says a quote captured on an NFL Films video of the 2009 NFC Championship Game had no bearing on Anthony Hargrove's eight-game suspension."The identity of the player who made the statement was immaterial to my decision on your appeals and did not affect the level of discipline imposed on Mr. Hargrove," Goodell wrote in a letter that was attached to legal filings submitted Tuesday. The commissioner said the video nevertheless provides ample evidence of a bounty program, no matter who said the words, and that "members of the Saints defense, including Mr. Hargrove, were well aware" of it.

Wow. The league was wrong, but the inaccuracy doesn't matter? That's convenient.

So once again, we're back to a question we've asked several times: What evidence does the NFL have to justify Hargrove's eight-game suspension? Was Hargrove "very well aware" of a bounty program because he was in a sideline huddle when one player said "give me my money" to another? That's a bit of a leap.

Let's go back to the original accusation the NFL publicized against Hargrove in March. As you might recall, here is what the league wrote:

Defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (now with the Green Bay Packers) is suspended without pay for the first eight games of the 2012 regular season. Hargrove actively participated in the program while a member of the Saints. Hargrove submitted a signed declaration to the league that established not only the existence of the program at the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it. The evidence showed that Hargrove told at least one player on another team that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre was a target of a large bounty during the NFC Championship Game in January of 2010. Hargrove also actively obstructed the league’s 2010 investigation into the program by being untruthful to investigators."

Now let's go through those sentences one-by-one:
•"Hargrove actively participated in the program while a member of the Saints." If the NFL has evidence of this, it remains private.
•"Hargrove submitted a signed declaration to the league that established not only the existence of the program at the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it." As we discussed in the spring, this sentence is at best a mischaracterization. In the declaration, Hargrove said only that "I denied all knowledge of a bounty or bounty program." To me, there is a big leap between establishing the existence of and participation in a program when all that happened was a denial of knowledge.
•"The evidence showed that Hargrove told at least one player on another team that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre was a target of a large bounty during the NFC Championship Game in January of 2010." In the declaration, Hargrove said former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told him that "some people" thought he had told Minnesota Vikings defensive lineman Jimmy Kennedy about the bounty. Both Hargrove and Kennedy have denied that conversation took place.
•"Hargrove also actively obstructed the league’s 2010 investigation into the program by being untruthful to investigators." That goes back to Hargrove originally denying all knowledge of any program, something he said Williams and fellow Saints assistant Joe Vitt asked him to do. It requires an assumption that Hargrove knew all of the details of any program that might have existed in order for a denial to be interpreted as "untruthful."

The video evidence was introduced later in the process, but now that the NFL has disregarded it, we're back to the original accusations. So essentially, again, we're left to assume that Hargrove was suspended eight games because he denied existence of a bounty program in 2010 -- even if there is no evidence that he participated in it or was aware of it. Yikes.

Hargrove penalty: NFL now discredits video - NFC South Blog - ESPN

SaintsBro · 07-06-2012, 08:53 PM

This is amazing because Goodell has just thrown Mary Jo White under the bus...she was very outspoken and insistent upon this being an important piece of the evidence, that it was Hargrove speaking.

Beastmode · 07-06-2012, 10:28 PM

I sure would like to know what the owners are thinking right now. Since RG took over stadium attendance has declined every single year, lawsuits are at an all time high, and the numbers of fans and media agents who are generally disgusted with him has become more than a minor distraction. Granted, it's not all his fault but it is happening on his watch.

The Dude · 07-06-2012, 10:37 PM

The NFL sucks. I don't think it will last beyond another 7-8 years.

07-06-2012, 08:35 PM	#4
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,094	Check out the analysis of this; Hargrove is getting hammered! Green Bay Packers defensive end Anthony Hargrove has insisted on multiple occasions that a key piece of evidence against him in the New Orleans Saints bounty issue is a case of mistaken identity. Voice recognition analysis confirmed that Hargrove was not the person who said "Bobby, give me my money," a quote captured on an NFL Films video of the 2009 NFC Championship Game. Amazingly, it now appears the league has agreed. As Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk points out, commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to Hargrove and three other suspended players that he is "prepared to assume" Hargrove was not the one speaking. But Goodell went on to claim that the video, which the league introduced during the appeal hearing and in a meeting with reporters, was not a factor in Hargrove's eight-game suspension. [+] Enlarge Tom Hauck/Getty Images Commissioner Roger Goodell says a quote captured on an NFL Films video of the 2009 NFC Championship Game had no bearing on Anthony Hargrove's eight-game suspension."The identity of the player who made the statement was immaterial to my decision on your appeals and did not affect the level of discipline imposed on Mr. Hargrove," Goodell wrote in a letter that was attached to legal filings submitted Tuesday. The commissioner said the video nevertheless provides ample evidence of a bounty program, no matter who said the words, and that "members of the Saints defense, including Mr. Hargrove, were well aware" of it. Wow. The league was wrong, but the inaccuracy doesn't matter? That's convenient. So once again, we're back to a question we've asked several times: What evidence does the NFL have to justify Hargrove's eight-game suspension? Was Hargrove "very well aware" of a bounty program because he was in a sideline huddle when one player said "give me my money" to another? That's a bit of a leap. Let's go back to the original accusation the NFL publicized against Hargrove in March. As you might recall, here is what the league wrote: Defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (now with the Green Bay Packers) is suspended without pay for the first eight games of the 2012 regular season. Hargrove actively participated in the program while a member of the Saints. Hargrove submitted a signed declaration to the league that established not only the existence of the program at the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it. The evidence showed that Hargrove told at least one player on another team that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre was a target of a large bounty during the NFC Championship Game in January of 2010. Hargrove also actively obstructed the league’s 2010 investigation into the program by being untruthful to investigators." Now let's go through those sentences one-by-one: •"Hargrove actively participated in the program while a member of the Saints." If the NFL has evidence of this, it remains private. •"Hargrove submitted a signed declaration to the league that established not only the existence of the program at the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it." As we discussed in the spring, this sentence is at best a mischaracterization. In the declaration, Hargrove said only that "I denied all knowledge of a bounty or bounty program." To me, there is a big leap between establishing the existence of and participation in a program when all that happened was a denial of knowledge. •"The evidence showed that Hargrove told at least one player on another team that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre was a target of a large bounty during the NFC Championship Game in January of 2010." In the declaration, Hargrove said former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told him that "some people" thought he had told Minnesota Vikings defensive lineman Jimmy Kennedy about the bounty. Both Hargrove and Kennedy have denied that conversation took place. •"Hargrove also actively obstructed the league’s 2010 investigation into the program by being untruthful to investigators." That goes back to Hargrove originally denying all knowledge of any program, something he said Williams and fellow Saints assistant Joe Vitt asked him to do. It requires an assumption that Hargrove knew all of the details of any program that might have existed in order for a denial to be interpreted as "untruthful." The video evidence was introduced later in the process, but now that the NFL has disregarded it, we're back to the original accusations. So essentially, again, we're left to assume that Hargrove was suspended eight games because he denied existence of a bounty program in 2010 -- even if there is no evidence that he participated in it or was aware of it. Yikes. Hargrove penalty: NFL now discredits video - NFC South Blog - ESPN Beastmode likes this.
	"A Veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life."

07-06-2012, 10:28 PM	#6
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	I sure would like to know what the owners are thinking right now. Since RG took over stadium attendance has declined every single year, lawsuits are at an all time high, and the numbers of fans and media agents who are generally disgusted with him has become more than a minor distraction. Granted, it's not all his fault but it is happening on his watch. TXGSP likes this.
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126

07-06-2012, 10:37 PM	#7
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,063	The NFL sucks. I don't think it will last beyond another 7-8 years.
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,063

LinkBacks (?) LinkBack to this Thread: https://blackandgold.com/saints/45278-league-backs-off-view-hargrove-said-give-me-my-money.html
Posted By	For	Type	Date	Hits
League backs off view that Hargrove said “give me my money”	This thread	Refback	07-06-2012 09:00 AM	1

07-06-2012, 02:05 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Obviously, when you strike you don't get payed. There isn't any question of that. I don't want to see a strike at all, I'm tired of all the drama, but if it's the last option they have at some point, then maybe they should.

07-06-2012, 02:42 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Godhell is finally starting to feel the heat. He is trying to use semantics at this point. But it isn't going to work. We won't let this die. Godhell may die but this won't.

07-06-2012, 02:59 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Roger will be held accountable......it will just take some time. He thought he was going to bully us and we'd roll over. Well' I guess he's thinking about crapping his britches now. Every bully deserves an ass beating and I want to give it to him.

07-06-2012, 08:53 PM	#5
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	This is amazing because Goodell has just thrown Mary Jo White under the bus...she was very outspoken and insistent upon this being an important piece of the evidence, that it was Hargrove speaking.