Discipline in the Leaque - does the NFLPA fight every possible decision?

SaintsBro · 07-09-2012, 05:08 PM

I think a DUI or disorderly conduct arrest with a police report, mug shot, breath test and witnesses is a little bit different from a supposed "bounty" or "pay for injure program" for which there is no clear evidence, or there is shifting morphing evidence, or a bunch of hearsay and guesses and assumptions trotted out as hard evidence, because it sounds good in a sound byte, and then the "evidence" doesn't get shown AT ALL to the players who are disciplined...big difference there. One situation as the union you represent ALL the players best by fighting tooth and nail for the process, the other situation like these you just want to make sure the player gets a fair hearing and has support while he is having personal difficulties and going through a rough patch.

TXGSP · 07-09-2012, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I doubt the NFLPA will get involved; the players were convicted of crimes away from the NFL. Pretty much makes them guilty and whatever fines/suspensions Roger wants to deal out are deserved. Unless he abuses the power yet again and went way overboard...

At this point they were arrested and charged - no convictions. Any discipline from the league may not come for a while and may not involve abuse of power, but will use the same judge, jury, executioner process.

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I think a DUI or disorderly conduct arrest with a police report, mug shot, breath test and witnesses is a little bit different from a supposed "bounty" or "pay for injure program" for which there is no clear evidence, or there is shifting morphing evidence, or a bunch of hearsay and guesses and assumptions trotted out as hard evidence, because it sounds good in a sound byte, and then the "evidence" doesn't get shown AT ALL to the players who are disciplined...big difference there. One situation as the union you represent ALL the players best by fighting tooth and nail for the process, the other situation like these you just want to make sure the player gets a fair hearing and has support while he is having personal difficulties and going through a rough patch.

I understand the fight everything and support situations, but do you go through a process the NFLPA has basically stated is flawed? There are big differences between what the three players have been accused of and what the Saints were found guilty of by the league. The three players from the initial post all will have due process applied by the courts, but will endure the same process as those involved in the "bounty" investigation.

My thoughts were really not about the individual offenses or possible discipline, but more directed at the possible validation of the suspension/appeals process if the NFLPA doesn't fight for those players. The outcome of the Vilma/NFLPA lawsuits could occur after outcomes in other player discipline and validate the process.

07-09-2012, 06:21 PM	#2
TXGSP LET MY TEAM GO! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Just north of COWGAL HELL Posts: 296	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I doubt the NFLPA will get involved; the players were convicted of crimes away from the NFL. Pretty much makes them guilty and whatever fines/suspensions Roger wants to deal out are deserved. Unless he abuses the power yet again and went way overboard... At this point they were arrested and charged - no convictions. Any discipline from the league may not come for a while and may not involve abuse of power, but will use the same judge, jury, executioner process. Originally Posted by SaintsBro I think a DUI or disorderly conduct arrest with a police report, mug shot, breath test and witnesses is a little bit different from a supposed "bounty" or "pay for injure program" for which there is no clear evidence, or there is shifting morphing evidence, or a bunch of hearsay and guesses and assumptions trotted out as hard evidence, because it sounds good in a sound byte, and then the "evidence" doesn't get shown AT ALL to the players who are disciplined...big difference there. One situation as the union you represent ALL the players best by fighting tooth and nail for the process, the other situation like these you just want to make sure the player gets a fair hearing and has support while he is having personal difficulties and going through a rough patch. I understand the fight everything and support situations, but do you go through a process the NFLPA has basically stated is flawed? There are big differences between what the three players have been accused of and what the Saints were found guilty of by the league. The three players from the initial post all will have due process applied by the courts, but will endure the same process as those involved in the "bounty" investigation. My thoughts were really not about the individual offenses or possible discipline, but more directed at the possible validation of the suspension/appeals process if the NFLPA doesn't fight for those players. The outcome of the Vilma/NFLPA lawsuits could occur after outcomes in other player discipline and validate the process.
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07-09-2012, 05:08 PM	#1
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	I think a DUI or disorderly conduct arrest with a police report, mug shot, breath test and witnesses is a little bit different from a supposed "bounty" or "pay for injure program" for which there is no clear evidence, or there is shifting morphing evidence, or a bunch of hearsay and guesses and assumptions trotted out as hard evidence, because it sounds good in a sound byte, and then the "evidence" doesn't get shown AT ALL to the players who are disciplined...big difference there. One situation as the union you represent ALL the players best by fighting tooth and nail for the process, the other situation like these you just want to make sure the player gets a fair hearing and has support while he is having personal difficulties and going through a rough patch.